Why are gun owners afraid to admit they own guns?

[babe]

There are also way more cars than guns. 9 out of 10 American households have access to a car. Less than a third of American households have access to a gun.

YET, in 2014, there was just under 35,000 gun deaths and just over 35,000 auto deaths.

Crazy, that there are three times as many cars as guns, and yet the total number of deaths are almost the same.

https://www.vpc.org/regulating-the-gun-industry/gun-deaths-compared-to-motor-vehicle-deaths/

yah, what Dutch said. Seems to me it's your biased sources of information that fuel your issues.

People also use cars way way more than they use their guns. And Dutch is right, deaths inside cars in shut-up garages, as in with a hose from the tailpipe to the inside, are not "traffic deaths" counted in the auto deaths. The thing is, cars are not designed to efficiently kill. Even deer can kick a hole in a radiator and bound off into the junipers. And no one, well almost no one, tries to kill anyone with a car. Except totally deranged wives trying to pin a hubby and his slut to the brick wall, and such.

Nobody thinks up this kind of total bizarre correlations except the hard-core zero gun bought and paid for media.

Hell, toilets kill more humans than guns do. Let's ban toilets. uhhhmmm.... maybe the stat monkeys would have to count sperm to make that case, but so be it!!!!!!!! If it fits the narrative, let's run with it!!!!!

 

[fishonjazz]

Fish, you should thank me for your job. I go around clearing the shelves of yogurt all over town, it's breakfast, lunch, dinner and snack every time I come in. I love fruit on the bottom. Blueberries are the best!!!!!!

Lol, awesome man. I too like the blueberries the most. (activia is my favorite type of yogurt.... Mostly because it still has some fat in it lol so it tastes better. Keeps me pooping on a consistent regular regimen too.)

I used to eat cereal for breakfast every day. I would have a bag (cheap off name stuff in a bag... never the good stuff in a box) of either honey buzzers (honey comb knock off) or the honey bunches of oats knock off. Then one day i was like "i can eat yogurt each morning for free. Save a little money and its healthier." So I stopped eating cereal and starting having yogurt for breakfast each day (even though i dont really like yogurt lol).

That was the only change i made to my diet and i didn't exercise any more or less either. Just from switching from cereal to yogurt i went from 215 pounds to 200 pounds in about a month. And im saving money.

 

[DutchJazzer]

if people are using the 35000 gun deaths as a argument to ban guns. they are intelectually dishonest. as most of those are suicide.

unless thos epeople wanna ban other forms of suicide(rope, plasticbags, bridges, trains gardenhoses, knoifes, bathtubs medicene and the list goes on!) they should not use the 35000 gun death statistic

 

[DutchJazzer]

lets put the gun deaths into perspective shall we(stats from 2011(

60% are suicides. you don't solve the 60% of those deaths by banning guns. because someone who wants to take his live will!
that leaves 40%.


3% are accidental death. yes those could be prevented by banning guns, because law abiding citizens wont get caught up in accidental gun deaths.
but isn't it up to every person to decide to take that risk! can i make the choice of a accidental death in my family by getting a gun in the household. Maybe just maybe i am smart about it and proper measures are taken and there is never an accidental gun to my offspring. isn't that natural selection(aka Darwinian evolutionary science) if I'm smart my offspring survives. if i am dumb they die!

34% is the remainder of gun deaths!
now that's still a large number.
but of those 80% are gang violence. i mean gangs deal drugs and drugs are banned. so by simple logic. why would they stop with guns if suddenly guns are banned.
so if we subtract this gang violence

there is a staggering low 6.8% left.

so if you care about the majority of those 35000 deaths you solve the suicide problem, or you don't because the left believes in assisted suicide. ooh wait unless it is assisted by a gum
and you solve the gang problem, or you don't, since the gang problem is the worst in cities being run long term by democrats.

you cna for sure stop the majority of the accidental deaths(3%)
the 6.8% counts the justified deaths, like self defense(do we wanne prevent those, i sure as heck do NOT) and the regular homocides(which i would like to prevent!)


but still even if all of those 6.8 and the 3% wher eto be prevented by gun bans it is only about 3000 deaths. thats a small price to pay for libverty, as much steeper prices have been paid throughout history when in gun controlled regions tyrannies rose!



so everybody using the 35.000 figure is either: stupid, dishonest, fell for propaganda, or just a TYRANT!

so please stick the 35000 deaths argument where the SUN DON'T SHINE!\


if you relaly care about 35000 deaths solve the frelling gang problem, and the suicide "problem"

 

[Ron Mexico]

lets put the gun deaths into perspective shall we(stats from 2011(

60% are suicides. you don't solve the 60% of those deaths by banning guns. because someone who wants to take his live will!

I own guns and don't support banning them but that statement is false. Guns lead to a much higher rate of suicide and are much more effective. Someone who has a failed suicide attempt will likely never try again. People who lock their guns up are less likely to commit suicide. Most suicides are a rash decision that passes after 15 minutes. If guns were banned suicides would decrease and likely drastically.

 

[Boris]

I own guns and don't support banning them but that statement is false. Guns lead to a much higher rate of suicide and are much more effective. Someone who has a failed suicide attempt will likely never try again. People who lock their guns up are less likely to commit suicide. Most suicides are a rash decision that passes after 15 minutes. If guns were banned suicides would decrease and likely drastically.

I do not believe you.
Most suicides are contemplated for months.
People work up the courage an plot how they will do it.
If there is no gun they will plot a nother route.
This is proven by statistics.

 

[Boris]

lets put the gun deaths into perspective shall we(stats from 2011(

60% are suicides. you don't solve the 60% of those deaths by banning guns. because someone who wants to take his live will!
that leaves 40%.


3% are accidental death. yes those could be prevented by banning guns, because law abiding citizens wont get caught up in accidental gun deaths.
but isn't it up to every person to decide to take that risk! can i make the choice of a accidental death in my family by getting a gun in the household. Maybe just maybe i am smart about it and proper measures are taken and there is never an accidental gun to my offspring. isn't that natural selection(aka Darwinian evolutionary science) if I'm smart my offspring survives. if i am dumb they die!

34% is the remainder of gun deaths!
now that's still a large number.
but of those 80% are gang violence. i mean gangs deal drugs and drugs are banned. so by simple logic. why would they stop with guns if suddenly guns are banned.
so if we subtract this gang violence

there is a staggering low 6.8% left.

so if you care about the majority of those 35000 deaths you solve the suicide problem, or you don't because the left believes in assisted suicide. ooh wait unless it is assisted by a gum
and you solve the gang problem, or you don't, since the gang problem is the worst in cities being run long term by democrats.

you cna for sure stop the majority of the accidental deaths(3%)
the 6.8% counts the justified deaths, like self defense(do we wanne prevent those, i sure as heck do NOT) and the regular homocides(which i would like to prevent!)


but still even if all of those 6.8 and the 3% wher eto be prevented by gun bans it is only about 3000 deaths. thats a small price to pay for libverty, as much steeper prices have been paid throughout history when in gun controlled regions tyrannies rose!



so everybody using the 35.000 figure is either: stupid, dishonest, fell for propaganda, or just a TYRANT!

so please stick the 35000 deaths argument where the SUN DON'T SHINE!\


if you relaly care about 35000 deaths solve the frelling gang problem, and the suicide "problem"

People started committing suicide when the entitlement mentality sank in. There is a direct correlation to this.

Before socialism sank in Americans did not commit much suicide. Why? Cause they understood that life is ruff an you have to persevere. Now we think life should be easy an if it is not than poor pity me.

 

[Miggs]

Nah, I just basically turn raw milk into yogurt. (Add culture, pastuerize, and homogenize it, cook it until the desired pH level and send on out to production where they add fruit and package it)

I'm actually fascinated by this. Sounds interesting.

 

[Miggs]

Someone who has a failed suicide attempt will likely never try again.

What?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile...cide-attempt-the-risk-of-another-try.amp.html

 

[LogGrad98]

I own guns and don't support banning them but that statement is false. Guns lead to a much higher rate of suicide and are much more effective. Someone who has a failed suicide attempt will likely never try again. People who lock their guns up are less likely to commit suicide. Most suicides are a rash decision that passes after 15 minutes. If guns were banned suicides would decrease and likely drastically.

Published rates don't prove this out. Several countries with strong gun controls are ahead of the US.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

And the last about about failed attempts shows you just know absolutely nothing about the subject. The majority of successful suicides had at least one and often multiple attempts before succeeding.

 

[Boris]

Published rates don't prove this out. Several countries with strong gun controls are ahead of the US.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

And the last about about failed attempts shows you just know absolutely nothing about the subject. The majority of successful suicides had at least one and often multiple attempts before succeeding.

He don't care about data. I already seen him say you can not compare Japan to USA.

Liberals will use the opposite argument when it suits there healthcare an retirement concerns than flip flop an tell you you can not compare.

So what is it liberals can we compare or can't we?

 

[Ron Mexico]

Published rates don't prove this out. Several countries with strong gun controls are ahead of the US.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

And the last about about failed attempts shows you just know absolutely nothing about the subject. The majority of successful suicides had at least one and often multiple attempts before succeeding.

According to US government(CDC) statistics 30-40% of people who complete a suicide have attempted one before. So that means 60-70% of people (the majority) have not attempted one before. People who have attempted suicide and have failed have a higher chance of trying again but again most (the majority) do not. Even the link from Wes shows that stat. People who own a gun or have a gun in their house have a much higher chance of committing suicide(3X or more higher). Yes some countries have different stats but there are too many factors in cultures to properly compare them. Countries with similar cultures with strict gun control (Australia?) have shown a lower chance of committing suicide than the US but even those have too many factors to compare. Although you are picking and choosing countries as well. If you take the rates of all countries with gun control and compare to ones without the suicide rates are much lower overall in countries with gun control.

Here is one of many articles about it that quotes sources on the subject. Some of the numbers are slightly different but still about the same:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/wonkblog/suicide-rates/


I own guns and feel everyone should have the right to own guns but I think owners should be smart with them and they should be locked up. Statistics also say owning a gun greatly increases your chance of suicide. I dont think the governement has the right to take away our guns for that reason though. But I also believe assisted suicide should be allowed and that suicide is sad and awful but ultimately a choice someone makes. The key isnt to get rid of guns it is to be more open about these issues and more open about mental health and help people suffering from mental health issues. No one should die from suicide in a rash decision, which is the majority of people who do. It is the second leading cause of death in teenagers and in young adults. In teenagers it is much much higher in homes that do not have locked guns.

85-91% of gun suicides are fatal compared to 2% of overdoses which are the next highest form of attempting suicide according to the latest CDC report.

90% of people who attempt suicide and fail do not die by suicide. That leaves 10%(very large minority). Which is still a higher % than the normal person but not anywhere close to the majority.

According to a study on suicide trends in this article that is well researched and peer reviewed ( Trends in suicide ideation, plans,
gestures, and attempts in the United States) 2/3 of suicide attempts were not planned and 24% changed their mind after 5 min, 50% changed their minds after 20 minutes and 70% after an hour. Access to a gun greatly decreases the chance someone changes their mind. Even having a gun locked prevents a lot of suicides and having your gun locked and your ammo in a separate area saves a large percentage of people. Generally almost all studies agree that after a traumatic even there is a 24 hour crisis period and after that people are unlikely to commit suicide. Here are a few of them: ( Self-inflicted gunshot wounds:
Lethality of method versus intent. American Journal of
Psychiatry, 142(2), 228–231)(Survivors of self-inflicted firearm injury. Medical Journal
of Australia, 160(7), 421–425)(Characteristics of impulsive suicide attempts and
attempters. Suicide and Life-Threatening Behavior, 32(1
Suppl), 49–59)( Firearms availability
and suicide: Evidence, interventions, and future
directions. The American Behavioral Scientist, 46(9),
1192–1210.)( The relationship
between firearms and suicide: A review of the
literature. Aggression and Violent Behavior, 4(1),
59–75.)

Women attempt suicide more often than men (around 3X more) but men are 4x more likely to die because they are much much more likely to use a gun according to the CDC and other independent studies such as this one: (Gender differences in
completed and attempted suicides. Annals of
Epidemiology, 4(2), 152–158.)

States with similar climates and elevation show that states with higher gun ownership has higher suicide rates according to the CDC.

 

[Ron Mexico]

What?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile...cide-attempt-the-risk-of-another-try.amp.html

They are at a higher risk like your link provides but the studies within this link also show that most do not attempt another one. The majority (95%) according to the link you provided do not die by suicide after attempting and failing. Yes they are at higher risk but again my statement is correct.

This link does include people who died including in their first attempt at 58% but that is a different argument not people who have failed.

This study also showed this:

The study also showed that the odds of successfully committing suicide are 140 times greater when a gun is used than for any other method.

Which helps prove my point that if guns were not involved the chance of committing successful suicide are much much lower.

Here is another quote from the article you quoted. Did you actually read beyond the headline?

“Most people who attempt suicide change their mind,” they wrote, adding that “most often, firearms do not allow for a change of mind or medical attention to arrive in time.

 

[LogGrad98]

If making guns means suicide rates are lower then why aren't suicide rates lower in those countries with strong gun controls? You can spin all the stats you want but that one doesn't prove out.

 

[fishonjazz]

If making guns means suicide rates are lower then why aren't suicide rates lower in those countries with strong gun controls? You can spin all the stats you want but that one doesn't prove out.

Maybe cause there are more suicidal folks in places that suck way more than the usa.

 

[Ron Mexico]

If making guns means suicide rates are lower then why aren't suicide rates lower in those countries with strong gun controls? You can spin all the stats you want but that one doesn't prove out.

Overall they are.

You are picking and choosing specific countries to prove your point(twisting the stats to show what you want). There are many factors to suicide rates. But if you take all the countries and compare countries with strong gun control laws they have lower rates of suicide than countries that do not.

So you proved yourself wrong posting the stats of countries since it shows strict gun control overall lowers suicide rates. Also countries and cultures are very different. Why not compare within the US? States with higher gun ownership have higher suicide rates. You can also look within the same city and see that suicide rates are much higher in houses with guns than ones without.

We can also look at who is committing suicide. South Korea is a very high country with suicide but the reason they are high is because the have an extremely high number of elderly people in poverty who dont want to be a burden on their children and commit suicide. This is very different from the people committing suicide in other countries. Suicide is also culturally more acceptable in some places and in other places it is very shameful or taboo.

There are also factors in reporting and the data of various countries since most the countries that chart you posted is based on what their government is reporting. Do you trust that 9 of the 10 lowest countries are middle eastern counties that are self reporting they are the lowest rates? Do theses countries count martyrdom suicide as suicide?

 

[green]

People started committing suicide when the entitlement mentality sank in. There is a direct correlation to this.

Before socialism sank in Americans did not commit much suicide. Why? Cause they understood that life is ruff an you have to persevere. Now we think life should be easy an if it is not than poor pity me.

Before socialism sank in? What does that mean? So, suicides spiked in the 1960's and 1970's and have been declining ever since?

We are now the most capitalistic we have ever been. Tax rates are near all time lows.

To say the United States is socialistic...is just wrong.

We are the only first world country with no national healthcare system. We have some of the lowest taxes we've ever had. We have more monopolies than we have ever had.

We are a capitalists wet dream, and the fact that the right has duped so many into thinking we are socialists...

No wonder their wealth is growing while everyone else's in shrinking.

 

[green]

He don't care about data. I already seen him say you can not compare Japan to USA.

Liberals will use the opposite argument when it suits there healthcare an retirement concerns than flip flop an tell you you can not compare.

So what is it liberals can we compare or can't we?

Again, you keep talking about banning guns. I'm not talking about that. Why are you?

I'm talking about licensing gun owners with requirements to keep your license. BIG difference.

 

[green]

Maybe cause there are more suicidal folks in places that suck way more than the usa.

USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!

 

[green]

How the hell do you post gifs on this site?