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Why are gun owners afraid to admit they own guns?

Which really means "fired due to negligence."

I've heard people talk about guns just going off as if guns are unstable and sometimes just go off. People do believe that and it is an anti-gun myth that needs to be confronted for the sake of gun safety.

In TV and Movies guns are sometimes shown "going off" when dropped. No modern gun will fire because it is dropped.
Fired on accident, fired due to negligence, gun going off...... We all knew what she meant.
 
You answered your own question. Those that want a registry generally do want to take people's guns away from them. You would have no problem with the government using the gun registry to round up all the guns or maybe just "assault weapons". I bet you would vote for a politician that advocated for it.

You're being intellectually dishonest. Ultimately you would like to see guns banned. You see a registry as a step in the right direction. Other people disagree with you. They don't want guns banned. You call them crazy for thinking that your ultimate intentions are exactly what they are.

This isn't true. I don't want guns banned. Why is always "all or none"? I don't get that.

I don't want people with dementia to have guns. I don't want people who aren't capable to have guns. Felons don't need to have guns.

There is a big difference between that and I WANT ALL GUNS BANNED!

Why aren't all guns licensed and why aren't gun owners licensed like cars? Why can anyone buy a gun buy anyone can't drive a car? Gun deaths outpace car deaths but heaven forbid we see if people are capable of having them.
 
For many it's just a "none of your business" thing. If my Dr asked me I would probably answer but think it a strange question. So what if I do? I don't keep it a secret but everyone doesn't need to know. Some may worry about getting political pushback. I have two myself. My husband has 3. We are responsible with keeping them secured. I recently bought a Sig Sauer P238. Can't wait to get to the range with it and also get my concealed permit.

Would you be ok if gun owners needed to take training and be licensed to carry/store/own a gun? And you would have to periodically refresh your schooling on gun safety, storage, etc?
 
At some point a couple years ago, this issue came up because the American Academy of Pediatrics wanted to advocate for gun safety education measures as a means of combating the risk of accidental injury or death of children

but since gun owners are all responsible people and they all take the utmost care to store their guns safely, and out of the reach of children, there's absolutely nothing to worry about

I mean, you hear about kids finding a gun in the house and accidentally shooting a sibling or a friend, but has anyone ever actually known anyone that's had that happen to them?

Yup.
 
At some point a couple years ago, this issue came up because the American Academy of Pediatrics wanted to advocate for gun safety education measures as a means of combating the risk of accidental injury or death of children

but since gun owners are all responsible people and they all take the utmost care to store their guns safely, and out of the reach of children, there's absolutely nothing to worry about

I mean, you hear about kids finding a gun in the house and accidentally shooting a sibling or a friend, but has anyone ever actually known anyone that's had that happen to them?

https://injury.research.chop.edu/vi...-violence/gun-violence-facts-and#.WMMFHVUrK70
 
This isn't true. I don't want guns banned. Why is always "all or none"? I don't get that.

I don't want people with dementia to have guns. I don't want people who aren't capable to have guns. Felons don't need to have guns.

There is a big difference between that and I WANT ALL GUNS BANNED!

Why aren't all guns licensed and why aren't gun owners licensed like cars? Why can anyone buy a gun buy anyone can't drive a car? Gun deaths outpace car deaths but heaven forbid we see if people are capable of having them.

They are kinda licensed in a similar way. Not exactly but similar. You don't need a driver's license to buy a car you don't even need one to drive a car you need one to drive a car on a public Road. You want to concealed carry a gun in public then you need a license. Just like driver's licenses this doesn't stop people from doing it without one but if they get caught they have broken the law and they are in trouble.
 
They kinda licensed in a similar way. Don't need a driver's license to buy a car you don't even need one to drive a car you need one to drive a car on a public Road. You want to concealed carry a gun in public then you need a license. Just like driver's licenses this doesn't stop people from doing it without one but if they get caught they have broken the law and they are in trouble.

Very true. So, why aren't all guns licensed? I have to take classes each year to stay on top of my profession. Why aren't gun owners required to take classes on gun safety, storage, etc? Why aren't they required to renew this every so often?

That is all I'm asking. I don't want anything banned. I enjoy guns. I will be out with my son and my father in law in the next few weeks and we will shoot AR-15, AK-47, a couple old british jungle carbines, etc. Nothing wrong with any of that.

But, why do we treat guns with less care than tobacco?

And back to my original point, which has to do with all of this, why are gun owners afraid to admit they are gun owners?

Why not license and protect innocent people and take guns away from those who are not responsible enough for them?

Those people that die from accidental shooting were more than three times as likely to have had a firearm in their home as those in the control group.

Among children, the majority of unintentional shooting deaths occur in the home. Most of these deaths occur when children are playing with a loaded gun in their parent’s absence.

In states with increased gun availability, death rates from gunshots for children were higher than in states with less availability.
The vast majority of accidental firearm deaths among children are related to child access to firearms — either self-inflicted or at the hands of another child.

The U.S. General Accounting Office estimated that 31 percent of accidental deaths caused by firearms might be prevented with the addition of 2 devices: a child-proof safety lock and a loading indicator.

Approximately one of three handguns guns is kept loaded and unlocked and most children know where their parents keep their guns.

Gun owners in a household (predominantly men) are more likely to report that their gun is stored unlocked and loaded, compared to the non-owners (predominantly women) in those households. This argues for better education of household members regarding safe storage in homes with children.

https://injury.research.chop.edu/vi...-violence/gun-violence-facts-and#.WMMFxVUrK70

Not all gun owners are these responsible, intelligent people. A significant portion of them are morons and should not own guns, or at the very least, would benefit GREATLY (including having their children still alive) if they were required to have a license to own and store a gun and had taken gun safety classes.

Which leads to another question: Why is the NRA and gun owners so against studies of guns, gun violence, gun violence prevention, etc?
 
Fired on accident, fired due to negligence, gun going off...... We all knew what she meant.

Well, there has been a push recently to stop calling car accidents "accidents" because it implies that it was unavoidable, jut something that happens when we drive cars and there's nothing we can do about it. The reality is that when there is a car accident 99% of the time it was the result of negligence or some other form of misconduct. So it is possible, if we eliminate the negligent behaviors we can almost eliminate car related injuries and deaths.

Same goes for firearms. If we call shootings "accidental" it implies that it's just something that happens when we have guns around and that there's really no way to avoid it. That's false. Just like with car accidents, 99% of shootings that result in the unintentional death or injury of a person could have been avoided had the person with the gun not acted in a negligent way, violating the basic rules of firearm safety.

Here in Utah a guy with a concealed weapon destroyed a toilet in a fast food place. His defense was that the gun just "went off." Let's take that defense completely off the table and stop acting like guns just go off or discharge by some random accident. Guns fire when the trigger is pulled. That's not a 99% thing, that's a 99.9999% thing.
 
Well, there has been a push recently to stop calling car accidents "accidents" because it implies that it was unavoidable, jut something that happens when we drive cars and there's nothing we can do about it. The reality is that when there is a car accident 99% of the time it was the result of negligence or some other form of misconduct. So it is possible, if we eliminate the negligent behaviors we can almost eliminate car related injuries and deaths.

Same goes for firearms. If we call shootings "accidental" it implies that it's just something that happens when we have guns around and that there's really no way to avoid it. That's false. Just like with car accidents, 99% of shootings that result in the unintentional death or injury of a person could have been avoided had the person with the gun not acted in a negligent way, violating the basic rules of firearm safety.

Here in Utah a guy with a concealed weapon destroyed a toilet in a fast food place. His defense was that the gun just "went off." Let's take that defense completely off the table and stop acting like guns just go off or discharge by some random accident. Guns fire when the trigger is pulled. That's not a 99% thing, that's a 99.9999% thing.
Again, I'm not trying to say you should use these words or those words. Use whatever words you want.
I'm simply saying that when we all read jazgals post we knew what she meant regardless of how it was worded.
 
"Wait, I'm not really going to shoot this guy raping my daughter because this gun was legally bought and is registered in the federal registry."

Sometimes I wonder if you truly think things all the way through.


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Sometimes?
 
All fields change every few years as knowledge and technology increases. Does that mean you don't believe anything is real?

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nothing changes as much as psychology field!
i dont want that field to judge me!

or you for that.

tomorrow they could label liberalism or conservatism a disease.

especially right wingers, because right wingers are more anti (big) government
 
Which really means "fired due to negligence."

I've heard people talk about guns just going off as if guns are unstable and sometimes just go off. People do believe that and it is an anti-gun myth that needs to be confronted for the sake of gun safety.

In TV and Movies guns are sometimes shown "going off" when dropped. No modern gun will fire because it is dropped.

lol do you watch walking dead?
last sunday(or sunday before) there was a zombie who was a soldier so he had his decked out gear and everything. and got stuck on som sticks and his gun started to go off. and people on twitter freaking out.
 
Well, there has been a push recently to stop calling car accidents "accidents" because it implies that it was unavoidable, jut something that happens when we drive cars and there's nothing we can do about it. The reality is that when there is a car accident 99% of the time it was the result of negligence or some other form of misconduct. So it is possible, if we eliminate the negligent behaviors we can almost eliminate car related injuries and deaths.

Same goes for firearms. If we call shootings "accidental" it implies that it's just something that happens when we have guns around and that there's really no way to avoid it. That's false. Just like with car accidents, 99% of shootings that result in the unintentional death or injury of a person could have been avoided had the person with the gun not acted in a negligent way, violating the basic rules of firearm safety.

Here in Utah a guy with a concealed weapon destroyed a toilet in a fast food place. His defense was that the gun just "went off." Let's take that defense completely off the table and stop acting like guns just go off or discharge by some random accident. Guns fire when the trigger is pulled. That's not a 99% thing, that's a 99.9999% thing.

While I agree with the far majority of this post, something comes to mind as referenced in a recent espn.com article on gun violence in New Orleans and really Louisiana in general. In this article, the author referenced West Point Lt. Col. Dave Grossman who teaches at the institution, has field expertise as it pertains to weaponry and their usage, done research on such, and has written several books, namely In Combat and On Killing.

I recommend the read and found the author's reference to Grossman and the science and psychology behind his positions fascinating. See below. I really can't recommend the article enough. Heck, in many ways I feel like the article and/or Grossman's books should be mandatory reading. Hyperbole sure but read the article for yourselves. It's very, very interesting, at least to me.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...ht-smith-raise-questions-new-orleans-violence
 
Would you be ok if gun owners needed to take training and be licensed to carry/store/own a gun? And you would have to periodically refresh your schooling on gun safety, storage, etc?
I'd be ok with this type of thing, fwiw.
 
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