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Why are gun owners afraid to admit they own guns?

Part of the problem with car accidents is that there are far too many people on the road who shouldn't be. Driver's tests are a joke for the most part and there are so many awful drivers out there.
 
fishonjazz said:
Again, I'm not trying to say you should use these words or those words. Use whatever words you want.
I'm simply saying that when we all read jazgals post we knew what she meant regardless of how it was worded.
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Okay. I just don't feel like discussions like this are useful if each "side" is using the same terms but applying different meanings.

Also, as I've been saying, I think it's important to use the correct words because I think it matters in regard to holding people accountable.

That said, I'll bow out. We're not going to go anywhere if we can't agree on what the relevant terms mean.
 
Bulletproof said:
Okay. I just don't feel like discussions like this are useful if each "side" is using the same terms but applying different meanings.

Also, as I've been saying, I think it's important to use the correct words because I think it matters in regard to holding people accountable.

That said, I'll bow out. We're not going to go anywhere if we can't agree on what the relevant terms mean.
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I actually agree with using your terms. Jazz gal did too when she said she could have worded it differently.

All I was trying to say is that we all knew what she meant regardless of the wording. I stand by that.
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Btw [MENTION=26]Gameface[/MENTION] I got written up today at work for some dumb **** and I'm in a horrible mood so I'm sorry if I'm being a dick.
 
fishonjazz said:
I actually agree with using your terms. Jazz gal did too when she said she could have worded it differently.

All I was trying to say is that we all knew what she meant regardless of the wording. I stand by that.
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Okay. Yeah I knew what she meant.
 
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My husband and I spent some time at the gun range today. First time shooting my new pistol. Bragged about it on Facebook. ;)
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Ugh. For what?
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Basically sending a batch of yogurt through my homogenizer and pastuerizer to an incorrect location which normally would be cause for a write up but in this case the location I sent it to, though not ideal, was an acceptable location and ended up being packaged and sold. Didn't cause downtime or financial losses. Boss said that doesn't matter, it's not about the result of the mistake but the fact a mistake was made.

I have worked here for 14 years and this is the closest to being fired I have ever been.
I'm on eggshells at this point in anything I do. The next mistake could be my last.
Not a good feeling to have at work.

I have worked every Sunday since August (6 days a week every week) plus many 12 hour days, I have called in sick 1 time in the last three years, I haven't been late in forever (I literally bet it has been like 10 years).... I thought I would maybe be given a little slack. That's the downside of a union though. Everything has to be by the book and uniformity is huge so it doesn't matter if you are typically a good worker or a bad one. Mistake gets made and you get written up regardless.
 
colton said:
There are WAY more automobile deaths and injuries than gun deaths and injuries. Is having a car at home a health issue?
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There are also way more cars than guns. 9 out of 10 American households have access to a car. Less than a third of American households have access to a gun.

YET, in 2014, there was just under 35,000 gun deaths and just over 35,000 auto deaths.

Crazy, that there are three times as many cars as guns, and yet the total number of deaths are almost the same.

https://www.vpc.org/regulating-the-gun-industry/gun-deaths-compared-to-motor-vehicle-deaths/
 
green said:
There are also way more cars than guns. 9 out of 10 American households have access to a car. Less than a third of American households have access to a gun.

YET, in 2014, there was just under 35,000 gun deaths and just over 35,000 auto deaths.

Crazy, that there are three times as many cars as guns, and yet the total number of deaths are almost the same.

https://www.vpc.org/regulating-the-gun-industry/gun-deaths-compared-to-motor-vehicle-deaths/
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dont be dishonest.

of those 35.000 a majority is suicide.

oplease exclude suicides from this discussion! because suicide by car(in a closed garage) is not counted in this stat!


so take out the suicides out of the gun stats if you wanna be intellectually honest!
 
DutchJazzer said:
you can also use the excuse of trigger pull being light

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xntTuJlRUbQ
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It's funny because New York requires handguns have a "heavy" trigger pull, which to people not familiar with firearms makes it seem like that's safer than a light trigger pull. The reality is that heavy trigger pull causes all but the very most experienced shooters to pull the shot to the right (if shooting from the right hand). In my book, less accuracy equals less safety. Increases the chance that an innocent person could be shot and that the threat will continue to be a threat.

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That is a handgun I have some experience with. Notice the "trigger safety" and the "grip safety." The trigger safety requires that force be applied in the center of the trigger in order for the trigger to be unlocked and able to be pulled. Friction from the side will not pull the trigger. For the most part a branch or some other object getting into the trigger guard will not apply force in the right place to allow the trigger to be pulled. But let's say a branch does apply force in the exact right way, that's where the grip safety comes in. The grip safety (I think it's called a backstrap safety on some 1911's) must also be depressed in order for the trigger to be pulled.

Those features are pretty much unnoticeable when using the gun normally but prevent that 0.0001% of times when a trigger might accidentally be pulled.

There are two other cool safety features on that gun. There is a loaded chamber indicator on top of the slide that physically pops up when there is a round in the chamber. It can be detected visually and by feeling with your finger if in the dark. There is also a striker (firing pin) position indicator on the back of the slide that can also be checked visually and by feel to inform you if this hamerless gun is "cocked" or not.

I think Pryzbylewski needs that gun.
 
fishonjazz said:
Basically sending a batch of yogurt through my homogenizer and pastuerizer to an incorrect location which normally would be cause for a write up but in this case the location I sent it to, though not ideal, was an acceptable location and ended up being packaged and sold. Didn't cause downtime or financial losses. Boss said that doesn't matter, it's not about the result of the mistake but the fact a mistake was made.

I have worked here for 14 years and this is the closest to being fired I have ever been.
I'm on eggshells at this point in anything I do. The next mistake could be my last.
Not a good feeling to have at work.

I have worked every Sunday since August (6 days a week every week) plus many 12 hour days, I have called in sick 1 time in the last three years, I haven't been late in forever (I literally bet it has been like 10 years).... I thought I would maybe be given a little slack. That's the downside of a union though. Everything has to be by the book and uniformity is huge so it doesn't matter if you are typically a good worker or a bad one. Mistake gets made and you get written up regardless.
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Ugh. Why would you be close to being fired for one error? Have you been written up before?
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Ugh. Why would you be close to being fired for one error? Have you been written up before?
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I had one other one on new years eve.

In 14 years I had never been written up and now 2 in a couple months. Gotta be way more careful now.
 
fishonjazz said:
Basically sending a batch of yogurt through my homogenizer and pastuerizer to an incorrect location which normally would be cause for a write up but in this case the location I sent it to, though not ideal, was an acceptable location and ended up being packaged and sold. Didn't cause downtime or financial losses. Boss said that doesn't matter, it's not about the result of the mistake but the fact a mistake was made.

I have worked here for 14 years and this is the closest to being fired I have ever been.
I'm on eggshells at this point in anything I do. The next mistake could be my last.
Not a good feeling to have at work.

I have worked every Sunday since August (6 days a week every week) plus many 12 hour days, I have called in sick 1 time in the last three years, I haven't been late in forever (I literally bet it has been like 10 years).... I thought I would maybe be given a little slack. That's the downside of a union though. Everything has to be by the book and uniformity is huge so it doesn't matter if you are typically a good worker or a bad one. Mistake gets made and you get written up regardless.
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What do you do Fish? Are you the dispatch manager?
 
ONE LOVE said:
What do you do Fish? Are you the dispatch manager?
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Nah, I just basically turn raw milk into yogurt. (Add culture, pastuerize, and homogenize it, cook it until the desired pH level and send on out to production where they add fruit and package it)
 
Fish, you should thank me for your job. I go around clearing the shelves of yogurt all over town, it's breakfast, lunch, dinner and snack every time I come in. I love fruit on the bottom. Blueberries are the best!!!!!!
 
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