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Saint Cy of JFC said:
More that I believe in the condition is serious. They could have used him this year to win. Its not like they tried to tank.

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Let's frame this a bit differently:

You like George Hill, right? Would you like him at $25M? Obviously that's a huge risk you'd be taking, especially if there was a 2x precedent that he had to be ruled out for the season. If we let George Hill go it's not because we don't like him and not because we don't think he can help us compete and be better.

Bosh makes $25M. He's been ruled out for the season twice. Insurance is paying 80% of his salary. There's a chance to petition for cap relief so the future of the franchise isn't handicapped by a max contract that isn't really being utilized. Now consider bringing him back. How risky is that proposition? You lose insurance payments and even if you can get them back will have to jump through a lot of hoops. You also sell out a lot of your arguments for cap relief. How much can Bosh bring? What are the odds he gets rule out for the season again? If history is any precedent, pretty high. There are legitimate reasons to hold him out, naturally. With how much you could lose having his comeback backfire, what could you gain by bringing him back? Now you see where the scales are really tipped for Miami. If some team has him on the hook for $5M they can bring him back if he's healthy or don't if he's not -- there's very little risk involved. When you have $25M/yr and your cap space on the line, it's awfully foolish to ignore than elephant.
 
infection said:
Let's frame this a bit differently:

You like George Hill, right? Would you like him at $25M? Obviously that's a huge risk you'd be taking, especially if there was a 2x precedent that he had to be ruled out for the season. If we let George Hill go it's not because we don't like him and not because we don't think he can help us compete and be better.

Bosh makes $25M. He's been ruled out for the season twice. Insurance is paying 80% of his salary. There's a chance to petition for cap relief so the future of the franchise isn't handicapped by a max contract that isn't really being utilized. Now consider bringing him back. How risky is that proposition? You lose insurance payments and even if you can get them back will have to jump through a lot of hoops. You also sell out a lot of your arguments for cap relief. How much can Bosh bring? What are the odds he gets rule out for the season again? If history is any precedent, pretty high. There are legitimate reasons to hold him out, naturally. With how much you could lose having his comeback backfire, what could you gain by bringing him back? Now you see where the scales are really tipped for Miami. If some team has him on the hook for $5M they can bring him back if he's healthy or don't if he's not -- there's very little risk involved. When you have $25M/yr and your cap space on the line, it's awfully foolish to ignore than elephant.
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Links to this 80%. Everywhere I see says 50%

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Links to this 80%. Everywhere I see says 50%

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https://heatzone.blog.palmbeachpost...-now-eligible-to-apply-for-salary-cap-relief/

The insurance would reimburse the Heat 80 percent of the guaranteed amount owed to Bosh or up to a maximum of $175,000 per game, with the Heat responsible for the balance. In this case, Miami would be eligible for $175,000 per game Bosh misses under his current contract.
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Taking a closer look with the maximum 175k/game then that's about 60% of salary this year. Unclear on if any other financial reimbursement happens (preseason, etc).
 
I'm starting to think we should maybe throw 2 years, 15M at Iggy. Not sure that would get it done but I don't think the Dubs would go that high. And yes, I know he's looked bad from three this post-season.

Edit: Don't think we'll have the room to do this though.
 
Simple answer is - no thanks to Bosh. Too much risk for the Jazz given his last two tries to go at it. No thanks to Iggy because of his back issues. Jazz need to avoid injured players and jettison some dead weight of their own.

Utah is a wing dominant team. Go hard after PG13 or Jimmy Buckets and get that 3rd star to team with Hayward and Gobert. Ideally around the draft (when picks are overvalued) so that you have some cap space to make a move or two before having to re-up Hayward, Hill and Jingles with Bird rights.

Whoever they target has to be a plus defender as well. And have good length. There's no doubt that the Jazz need to find guys that will give the Warriors trouble when they see them again.
 
If we don't draft a PF I wouldn't mind signing Amir Johnson, Alan Williams (restricted) or Patterson for two or three years as a back-up. Shabazz Muhammad would be a cheap scoring spark off the bench as well, though he is restricted. Collison as a Mack replacement would be nice but semi-costly.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
How is that a no-brainer when he can just opt out and sign a 1 year max deal?
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Because he is taking the risk of getting hurt during the season or not having as a good of a season. If he opts-in he can guarantee himself all of that money. If he opts-out he's taking the risk of something happening.


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I think people need to lower their sights a bit with targets... I think we try to retain hill and Hayward and likely go shopping in the bargain bin... try to find a value guy like how the heat have done. I think we will try to find a high upside guy through the draft.
 
Okay, before we even go any further in discussing who should be pursued, shouldn't we figure out how much money we'll be able to spend if Hayward gets the max and a) Hill gets x amount or b) Alternative pg gets x amount?

To me, Patrick Patterson seems like the best guy to pursue. A really good bench 4 who can stretch the floor and even start. But if the money is too much in accordance with the CBA, then why discuss?

Having said all this, is there any way Hayward doesn't opt out? I feel like this would be huge. It would allow us to sign Hill to pretty much whatever, and maybe go after Patterson, Muscala AND maybe even a backup pg/wing if Burks and Diaw are moved.

If we move Diaw and Burks AND Hayward doesn't opt out (monstrous if), I think we're at 73.071M for:

Exum-Neto
Hood
Hayward
Favors-Johnson-Bolomboy-Lyles
Gobert
 
If Hayward opts-in to the final year of his contract he can agree to the mega-max extension if he made All-NBA this year. Correct?


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Okay, if we opt out of Diaw, trade Burks and Lyles for nothing, we'd be at about 70.6M which should be about 30.4M under the cap. Could we sign Patterson and Muscala and Iggy bringing us to about 92M and then extend Hill and Ingles to get to 125M? And that's if Hayward opts in...would that work under the CBA?

And yes I know that's a pipe dream.
 
Say Hayward makes the All-NBA team. Can he opt-out and take a 1-year max deal then wait until next offseason to get the mega-max? I don't think he could sign a 1-year deal then take the mega-max extension right away. Am I wrong? I'm asking for clarification.


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♪alt13 said:
He could also opt out and sign a 1 year max with a second year player option if he wanted to go for the DVP
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Right, which I'm saying carries risk of injury because he would be playing a year without the DVP just so he could get an extra 14 mil for one season. Right?


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