We should move on from George Hill

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Wow. Not thinking about our number 5 overall draft pick is smart? I don't think so.

I guess I still have high hopes for Dante.

Yeah, that basically sums up why people are still so willing to bet on Dante: He was once a #5 overall pick.

 

[GVC]

I'd rather keep Favors for another season to see if he recovers. In that case, you re-sign Hill and hope for the best. Otherwise, I think Jrue + Some cheap players would be okay too.

It's not a terrible outcome, especially if the Jazz can do stuff with their draft picks. With that said, I don't feel terribly confident going into the season with JJ, Lyles, draft picks and whatever you can get for the MLE/minimum contracts being the only options at the 4, and Gobert, draft picks and whatever you can get for the MLE/minimum contracts at the 5.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Wow. Not thinking about our number 5 overall draft pick is smart? I don't think so.

I guess I still have high hopes for Dante.

Dante is up for a contract after next year. Utah is going to have to manage him very carefully next year. Make him the starter and give him starter minutes, and he probably shows just enough promise for somebody to throw a ridiculous offer at him to try and pry him away. It's not like he has earned the starter spot, so Utah would be bending over backwards to cause themselves a problem they don't want.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Yeah, that basically sums up why people are still so willing to bet on Dante: He was once a #5 overall pick.

Bull ****. Dante has shown plenty of promise. I'm far from a Dante Homer, but the fans who complain about his playing time have a legitimate gripe.

 

[NAOS]

Bull ****. Dante has shown plenty of promise. I'm far from a Dante Homer, but the fans who complain about his playing time (by embedding their claims in statements that are mostly factless) have a legitimate gripe.

fixed. And now I can agree.

 

[fishonjazz]

The Jazz would have to drop salary to 85 m just to offer Mills 15 million and there is no guarantee that he takes it. The Jazz don't have to drop any salary to make Hill an offer.

I agree. I was not saying we should get mills.
Cy said that paying mills 15 million vs paying hill 25 million is the same cause both put us into the tax.
I was making the point that is not the same cause the owners of the team have to pay steeper penalties the farther into the tax they go.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I agree. I was not saying we should get mills.
Cy said that paying mills 15 million vs paying hill 25 million is the same cause both put us into the tax.
I was making the point that is not the same cause the owners of the team have to pay steeper penalties the farther into the tax they go.

I didnt say that. I said it's the same because with either one we sign we wont have enough cap to sign anyone else. I didnt say anything about tax. People dont want to overpay Hill because they believe if we overpay him we wont be able to sign anyone else. My point is if we sign a lesser/cheaper player we still cant sign anyone else.

I'm not speaking on the LT because I dont know the Millers stance on the LT.

 

[JAZZGASM]

I'd rather overpay Hill if it means keeping Hayward. If we lose Hayward, then don't re-sign hill, because we will suck. I hate Quin's offensive sets, watching Gobert and Hayward have been the silver lining that have made watching games bearable.

Hayward wants to win. If they Jazz don't keep Hill, who are they going to get that will make them competitive enough that it will be attractive for Hayward to re-sign?

If the Jazz can somehow get George, Butler, CP3, etc., then great, but does anyone really see that happening??? Hill may be the teams best bet. Hopefully we can do a 4 yr contract with a team option in year 4. Hill plays smart, and I don't see a huge drop off occurring in his play over the next few years.

 

[Strutter]

At this point, Dante Exum is simply Dante Exum. It is up to him to prove he belongs on the court. The Jazz are in win-now mode and he's been coddled plenty. Exum has done nothing to this point to earn the privilege that you are suggesting.

I don't disagree with you in this particular argument (Re-signing Hill regardless of the impact on Dante), but in what way do you possibly think Exum has been coddled?

 

[Miggs]

Dude...The Jazz are $20mil OVER the cap, so even without Burks and Diaw the Jazz have no cap space. They have only the ~$8mil mid-level exception to sign free agents.

On whom would you use the MLE? I really want Patterson but think he's probably redundant given Johnson being a stretch 4 and Favors here, with Bolomboy and possibly even Diaw as well.

 

[Miggs]

Iggy at near full MLE and Bogut for vet minimum?

Hill-Exum-Neto-Frank Jackson
Hood-Ingles-Burks
Hayward-Iggy-Semi
Favors-Johnson-Bolomboy
Gobert-Bogut-1st rounder

Could we legit keep Hill and Ingles and Hayward AND spend the full MLE on Iggy and walk this core out next year?

Is this remotely realistic or do I need to lose my ***** now?

 

[Siro]

On whom would you use the MLE? I really want Patterson but think he's probably redundant given Johnson being a stretch 4 and Favors here, with Bolomboy and possibly even Diaw as well.

Patterson kind of sucks.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Sign Hill
Sign Hayward
Sign Ingles
Draft players
Maybe make some trades if the Jazz feel they have to shave money or they want some different players

It's not that complicated. Sorry I dont have a magical plan to trade for Kristaps Porzingis or get Kemba Walker out of a hobbled contract year Favors, Rodney Hood coming off a historically bad playoff run on a contract year, a continually injured Burks, and some mid-late first round draft picks.

give numerical values for this offseason idea

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

give numerical values for this offseason idea

No thanks

 

[Deleted member 848]

No thanks

lol k bro

 

[Deleted member 848]

It's irrelevant. The replacement you're suggesting would cost just as much, maybe be marginally better, and force the Jazz to dump additional players without taking salary back.

Now, maybe Favors and Burks have no reclamation value, and maybe no team can make use of Boris's non-guaranteed $7.5mil, but I'd much rather go with Hill, and see if Favors and Burks can rebound and/or bring something worthwhile back in a trade (the Jazz would have much more flexibility trading those players without having to worry about freeing up cap space to sign Jrue).

you're gonna have to explain this to me mathematically cuz if Hill and Jrue can be had for similar monetary values, why does signing one mean we can keep Favors and Burks while signing the other means that we can't.

 

[Siro]

you're gonna have to explain this to me mathematically cuz if Hill and Jrue can be had for similar monetary valyes, why does signing one mean we can keep Favors and Burks while signing the other means that we can't.

Because you can sign your own players even if over the cap. You need to get under the cap to sign Jrue, which means letting go of Hill + Diaw + Favors or Burks.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

you're gonna have to explain this to me mathematically cuz if Hill and Jrue can be had for similar monetary values, why does signing one mean we can keep Favors and Burks while signing the other means that we can't.

bird rights

 

[Deleted member 848]

Because you can sign your own players even if over the cap. You need to get under the cap to sign Jrue, which means letting go of Hill + Diaw + Favors or Burks.

gotcha gotcha.

Interesting. In the instance of a sign-and-trade with NOLA do we get Jrue's bird rights, for example?

I truly know nothing about the CBA

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

GSW were able to sign Durant because they basically hit the lottery by signing Green and Thompson to max deals under the lower cap so they are both on very friendly max deals. Not only that, they lucked out by investing in an injured Curry. Now since they are a super rich organization who can offset high LT cost with lucrative local TV deals and sponsorship they can afford to keep everyone under bird rights basically until 2020.