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I think Hayward signs with the jazz cause $$$
Hill and Hayward: The Package Deal
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framer
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I just like he conceit here that everyone on this board thinks that they have a better handle on the salary cap situation than Gordon Hayward. If signing Hill to four years 25 million hurts the team, Hayward knows that more than anyone. If that type of money loses us Jingles and Favors, why would you think that Hayward is stupid enough to go along with it?
For the record, I think Hill can get 4 years OR 25 million, not both. There are only 8 or nine teams that could offer him that, and he isn't 8th or 9th on the priority list. Unfortunately, one of those teams is the Spurs, which is the only real situation that Hill can shine like he does here.
For the record, I think Hill can get 4 years OR 25 million, not both. There are only 8 or nine teams that could offer him that, and he isn't 8th or 9th on the priority list. Unfortunately, one of those teams is the Spurs, which is the only real situation that Hill can shine like he does here.
I want to say Im 50% certain Favors is traded during or before the draft.
7StraightIsGreat
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While I love Gobert and his attitude, let's be 100% honest with each other: He still has some pretty big holes in his game that until fixed, will prevent him from willing the Utah Jazz to playoff victories over the NBA elite. He still needs to see major improvement offensively. Outside of 3 feet, bad things usually happen when Rudy gets the ball and while improved, he's still a big liability at the free throw line. Being the best rim protector isn't going to be enough to win an NBA title.
For what? His trade value would be 25 cents on the dollar. Meanwhile, his value to us simply playing is at least 75 cents on the dollar.
His value to us is a year left on his contract. If he plays great we cant afford him and if he sucks, he probably still leaves because he know his role would be 15 mpg backing up Rudy Gobert. Either way I'm almost certain Favors sees the writing on the wall of just being Gobert's glorified backup and is out of here. I dont think he dislikes Utah, but I think he dislikes his role.
I heard a Jazz media guy throw this trade out: Favors for Demarre Carroll and the 23rd pick (I think that deal saves Toronto a ton of money because of their cap situation). When I first heard it, I hated it. I've kind of come around on it though, especially if there is some kind of bigger picture trade that can be done with acquiring more picks.
I think that is probably the gist of every possible trade involving Favors, moving him for a worse contract (more years) and a draft pick.
At least Carroll would give us some more positional flexibility with another big bodied 3/4 who can shoot the 3. He'd be a good fit with Quin even if his tank is coming close to E.
Who's "a Jazz guy"?
Also, I'd rather roll the dice on another year of Favors than try to accumulate more picks.
IDK, just some Jazz media person on twitter. Can't remember who. It's not a rumor, just something he was suggesting as a possibility because of Toronto's cap concerns and Carroll's familiarity with Jazz/Snyder.
The thing is that "roll the dice" is only good for 1 more year. 0% chance we can retain him past this year. He just isnt going to re-sign with us, no matter what. Quin has shown very little willingness to roll with Gobert/Favors, even two years ago when Favors was good and healthy, he would still take Gobert/Booker or Favors/Booker over Gobert/Favors most of the time.
And if the Jazz did that trade you'd have to think they would make another move with 3 first round picks in the draft. It would have to be a trade to make more trades happen.
We're a 60+ win team next year with no changes. I'd stick with that and then sort things out in the summer of 2018. Breaking 60 wins and a good playoff showing puts us in another realm that opens doors for bringing in other key people, regardless of whether or not we lose some people.
Regarding Snyder not being open to a Gobert/Favors combo, I think the jury is out on that. They played together enough after Kanter was traded and we went on that run. The next year both of them missed 20 games each. This year Favors was never healthy. And we don't have a legitimate backup center that can play minutes so a hobbled Favors got penciled in there. Next season they play together which I believe is what makes us unique.
I think it's pretty clear on Snyder's thoughts of Favors/Gobert together. If this year is the deepest draft in recent history, it makes sense to try and get more picks. The 23rd pick is a better trade asset than Derrick Favors atm. Carroll's provided value could be equivalent to Favors this year.
Yes, key phrase being "at the moment." But I'm not as much interested in how valuable trade assets are around the league as much as I'm interested in how valuable certain commodities are to us.
It could be. Favors value this year (season as a whole) wasn't much. I'd be more interested in how Carroll's value would stack up against next year's Favors rather than this year's.
And if we are worried about not being able to afford Favors, then in 2018-2019 you're locked in to another year of Carroll where you're paying him 50% more than you paid Favors the year prior.
That's not what I posted at all. I don't even think you read my posts.
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whats the point of winning 60 plus games when you can t compete to get out of round 2?
and lets be honest here had the Clippers been healthy they would of won in 6 games max.
Also doesn't matter what the Jazz do on the court, they are never going be a free agent destination. The league is mostly black and lets be honest with ourselves, not many nba players want to live in Utah. This has been discussed so many times I dotn know why people stil lthink Utah can get a big name free agent. Biggest name free agent singing the Jazz have ever had is Boozer and how good was Boozer? He was decent but he was soft and played matador defense. For the Jazz to compete in the NBA they need to draft players and sign players with local ties who don't mind living with amongst all the Mormons. Go Ahead and hate on my post all you want but its 100 percent truth#RealTalk
and lets be honest here had the Clippers been healthy they would of won in 6 games max.
Also doesn't matter what the Jazz do on the court, they are never going be a free agent destination. The league is mostly black and lets be honest with ourselves, not many nba players want to live in Utah. This has been discussed so many times I dotn know why people stil lthink Utah can get a big name free agent. Biggest name free agent singing the Jazz have ever had is Boozer and how good was Boozer? He was decent but he was soft and played matador defense. For the Jazz to compete in the NBA they need to draft players and sign players with local ties who don't mind living with amongst all the Mormons. Go Ahead and hate on my post all you want but its 100 percent truth#RealTalk
You take a look at the 2013-2014 Warriors and they won 51 games and got bounced by the Clippers in the first round in 7 games. You take a look at that roster and they didn't really change much between that season and the next. Nobody at that time saw them winning 67 games the next year and contending (winning) a title. If you look at that team without hindsight bias, you see some serious flaws. The injury history of Curry, Bogut and David Lee is insane. Iguodala on the downward trend. If that was our team we'd have a sizable portion of this forum talking about blowing it up and how it would never be enough to contend. The bottom line is that once you pass 60 games it puts you in striking distance and it completely changes the psychology of the game.
DasJazz
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If the Jazz were healthy we would've won in 5 games max, so there's always two sides to the coin you're trying to flip.
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Yikes.
He has said how much he likes it here and likes stability. I think he would re-sign with us and would probably take a discount again like his last contract to stay and have stability.
Quin did not play those two together much this year but that was more due to injuries and the minute limitation of Favors. It made more sense when Favors is getting little minutes to stagger him. This could be solved by having a healthy Favors (I am 50/50 if this will happen) and/or getting a better back up center that Snyder trusts and likes. Withey is not cutting it at least for Snyder.
Last year when Healthy Gobert and Favors played together 882 minutes that season. Even though he staggered them at times he played them together plenty. More than any other combo. The next player Gobert played the most with from the PF spot was Booker at 500 minutes. The next big that Favors played the most with was also Booker at 556 minutes. Clearly Gobert and Favors played more together than with Booker.
If Favors is healthy again next year he wont be just a back up to Gobert. He will be staggered a bit and they will play together a bit. Staggering them is a good idea. Assuming it isnt a bad matchup they will close out games together. The year before this season Gobert got pulled a lot at the end due to FT shooting but that isnt an issue as much anymore.
Also if Favors adds a 3 point shot they will play Gobert and Favors together a lot more.