Uhh, under this scenario they are for sure getting him no matter what. Hayward isnt going to sign a 5 year deal under the impression of staying with Utah then Utah trading him without his consent.
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Uhh, under this scenario they are for sure getting him no matter what. Hayward isnt going to sign a 5 year deal under the impression of staying with Utah then Utah trading him without his consent.
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That is why I said I agree with you, BUT if Hayward wants top $$$ AND to go to Boston, but not leave $$$ on the table, that is what has to happen. Keep in mind, if he signs with Boston without a trade, he can NEVER get the designated player status. Even without it, he is leaving up to $47M on the table with the player option, and over $5.5M without the option year. That is a lot of money at risk if he gets injured or has a big drop off in play. If he does get dp status, he could get $236,281,210
Without designated player status, here is the salary possibilities:
Stay with Jazz:
Year Amount
2017-18 $30,900,000
2018-19 $33,372,000
2019-20 $35,844,000
2020-21 $38,316,000
2021-22 $40,788,000 - Player Option
Total: $179,220,000
Go to Boston:
Year Amount
2017-18 $30,900,000
2018-19 $32,445,000
2019-20 $33,990,000
2020-21 $35,535,000
Total: $132,870,000
Other teams are limited in the length of contract and the size of yearly raises they can offer Hayward. While the Jazz can offer a 5-year deal at 30 percent of the cap, with 8 percent raises every year, other teams can only offer a 4-year deal, with 5 percent raises every year. If he does get DP status, he could get $236,281,210.
So I definitely see it being a selling point to Hayward, and if he wants to leave, his agent should be fired for not pushing for a sign and trade.
A trade still means he cant get designated player status....
And again, the pitch is going to be to get George to play with him w/ the #1 pick. That's going to be why Hayward goes to Boston if he decides to go.
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Maybe hayward wants 2 things.
A 5 year deal, and to play for boston. Maybe the 5 year deal is the priority but he would also like to play in boston.
One way to have both.
Jazz don't want a guy who wants to be in boston and would like some assets. Boston wants hayward but can't give him 5 years.
Boom, sign and trade. Everyone is relatively happy.
I realize that this is extremely unlikely. But still a possibility.
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To clarify, if he were to get All-NBA this year (list comes out this Thursday--not sure if the "leak from a few weeks ago was accurate"), he could get DP Status, sign a "DP" max, and then get traded. And I never said we'd get the #1 pick from Boston, but if Hayward is leaving, $$$ wise his agent should push for a sign and trade.
He can't sign a DP deal until next year though if that happens. At least I'm fairly sure on that.
I dont think Hayward wants to play for Boston. I think Hayward wants to play for the team that has the best chance to win. I think Boston is only a real contender if they have a plan to get George with Hayward. I dont think Boston is that team if they have to trade for Hayward and George to get on the team. The crux of Boston becoming a great super team is getting Hayward to sign then using minimal assets to get PG because the #1 pick is such a strong asset on it's own. So they have 3 max players in PG/Hayward/Horford, then a lot of high draft picks and w/e they can extract from IT in a trade.
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Don't think that is right:
Qualifications: players have to satisfy one of the following:
1. Made one of the three all-NBA teams in season preceding the extension or in 2 of the previous 3 seasons.
2. Earned league defensive player of the year (DPOY) honors in the season preceding the extension or in 2 of the previous 3 seasons.
3. Earned league most valuable player (MVP) honors in any of the 3 seasons preceding the extension.
Time Period: players can only sign the extension in the off-season starting July 1st through the last day before the start of the regular season.
Signing Mechanism: eligible players can be signed via extension or re-signed as free agents.
Maximum: there can only be two designated player veteran extensions given per team.
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More like $5.5M. But it isn't misleading, it is guaranteed $ he is putting at risk.
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It was a joke. Memphis is geographically eastern but they are in the western conference.
No, I'm pretty positive I'm right. A big story about the DMC trade was that he lost a lot of money because only the Kings could offer the DPE and now no one can.
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Haha. 1) If he gets All-NBA, he can extend/re-sign with the Jazz July 1. Then he could be traded to Boston.
Are there not trade rules on extensions like that? If that is true, then I guess that could be possible, but I dont think Boston would do it. I think step 1 of their plan is to sign Hayward outright. If they cant do that, I think they just forget him entirely.
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That's fine that you think that and you may be right.
But there is a possibility that he wants two things above all else. Boston and 5 year contract. In that particular hypothetical scenario a sign and trade would be the only way to accomplish it. And that is what jazzgazm and I are saying is all.
I get what you are saying, it just requires two hypothetical scenarios that are either unlikely and/or contrary to reports.
1. Dont think Hayward makes All-NBA over Butler, which who he would likely have to beat out for the last forward spot
2. Dont think Hayward wants to play for Boston, I think he wants to play for the team with best chance to win. That wouldn't be Boston if they had to use assets to get him.
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I agree with you but it seemed like you were saying that it isn't possible in the convo below. We were just simply saying it's a possibility no matter how unlikely.
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https://soundcloud.com/the-bill-simmons-podcast/nba-draft-lottery-reaction-with-mark-titus-ep-214
Interesting pod by Simmons with a former HS teammate of Hayward. He doesnt claim to have any insider knowledge, but vouches for the Hayward/Stevens connection being legit through a story of him in HS. Supposedly Hayward's family were hardcore Purdue fans and even though Purdue offered Hayward a scholarship late, he chose Butler over them because Stevens was the first coach to believe in him.
Interesting pod by Simmons with a former HS teammate of Hayward. He doesnt claim to have any insider knowledge, but vouches for the Hayward/Stevens connection being legit through a story of him in HS. Supposedly Hayward's family were hardcore Purdue fans and even though Purdue offered Hayward a scholarship late, he chose Butler over them because Stevens was the first coach to believe in him.
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Quin Snyder has coached Hayward longer than Stevens did.
Yes, I'm sure he likes Quin too. Loyalty obviously means something to Hayward though and Stevens believed in Hayward before anyone else. The Jazz made Hayward go out and find a max contract 3 years ago. I think in the context of the Purdue/Butler story, that matters.
I hate to be thinking pessimistically about this, but I think it's 50/50.