Boston vs Utah for Hayward

[Saint Cy of JFC]

There is also the chance Boston is able to get the Pacers to conditionally agree to PG for #1 pick (and w/e minor pieces are needed to make salary work) if they can sign Hayward. Does Hayward turn down a big 4 of himself, Paul George, Isiaih Thomas, and Al Horford? Not to mention a top pick in 2018 coming in.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Let's say DL determines he can't resign Hayward, can he trade him to Boston,and would Boston agree to give us the #1 pick for Hayward?? This isn't me wanting to get rid of Hayward, but I've had a bad feeling for a couple weeks now that Hayward will sign with Boston.

Thoughts

That would never happen. If Hayward wants to go to Boston, he will just go to Boston.

 

[Et tu Brute]

Yeah, I highly doubt they trade it. That's why I think George could be in play, the Celtics have superior assets but are married to them.

Can Indiana offer PG and their first (and maybe another player) for Lakers 2nd?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

There is also the chance Boston is able to get the Pacers to conditionally agree to PG for #1 pick (and w/e minor pieces are needed to make salary work) if they can sign Hayward. Does Hayward turn down a big 4 of himself, Paul George, Isiaih Thomas, and Al Horford? Not to mention a top pick in 2018 coming in.

Knowing Ainge and what he did during the KG era this seems like it's probably his plan.

I am scared.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

I'm not certain that Boston would have traded the pick for hayward though.

You see, it takes more than one team to complete a trade unfortunately.

Reports at the time suggested they were willing to move that pick for George or Butler. Maybe Lindsey isnt the GM that is sold to us. Part of the GMs job is to sell high or get more value. If Hayward leaves we will get nothing again for a player we invested too much in.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yeah, I highly doubt they trade it. That's why I think George could be in play, the Celtics have superior assets but are married to them.

I dont think they are. I think Ainge just pulled a smart move and it paid off. Instead of trading for George he took the risk that he would get the #1 pick. Now that pick has even more value and he should, in theory, have to attach less to it to get George.

I got a feeling he will pull a trade for George if he can pull of signing Gordon Hayward. Then he can build a super-team. If he can't, he probably just goes for a rebuild centered around the Brooklyn picks.

 

[fishonjazz]

Reports at the time suggested they were willing to move that pick for George or Butler. Maybe Lindsey isnt the GM that is sold to us. Part of the GMs job is to sell high or get more value. If Hayward leaves we will get nothing again for a player we invested too much in.

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So you agree. It was never reported that Boston would trade the pick for hayward.

Maybe cause george and butler were on longer deals. Maybe cause they were thinking they could get hayward in free agency anyways. Maybe they simply think butler and George are better than hayward.

Anywho, like I said, maybe Boston would not do the trade you suggested. It takes more than one team to complete a trade.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

According to Woj in his latest podcast the Celtics didnt pull off a trade for Paul George or Jimmy Butler because they believe they have a chance at signing Hayward outright.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

So you agree. It was never reported that Boston would trade the pick for hayward.

Maybe cause george and butler were on longer deals. Maybe cause they were thinking they could get hayward in free agency anyways. Maybe they simply think butler and George are better than hayward.

Anywho, like I said, maybe Boston would not do the trade you suggested. It takes more than one team to complete a trade.

Potentially but if the fans and front office were not soooo obsessed with Hayward we could have developed the youth more gotten an 8th seed. Moved Hayward for assets. But, instead we put all our eggs in a Hayward basket. Looks like the writing is on the wall. Right now offense is winning championships.

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[JAZZGASM]

That would never happen. If Hayward wants to go to Boston, he will just go to Boston.

I agree, but I believe with a trade they can get his bird rights, so it may be an incentive for Hayward if he wants top $$$ and also wants to go to Boston.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I agree, but I believe with a trade they can get his bird rights, so it may be an incentive for Hayward if he wants top $$$ and also wants to go to Boston.

No, you have birds rights to whoever is on your team I believe. For instance, the Warriors will have Durant's birds right after he (most likely) opts out this year.

 

[UB]

No, you have birds rights to whoever is on your team I believe. For instance, the Warriors will have Durant's birds right after he (most likely) opts out this year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Boston can likely get George without trading the #1 pick. It would create a serious issue as that team can definitely compete with Cleveland and has a shot at GS if they aren't 100% or lose some depth this offseason. I don't think the pieces fit together as well as the GS pieces and Hayward would get the Bosh treatment for his offensive opportunities but it would make it hard to pass up.

Is Indiana going to get a better offer than smart, the BKN 2018 1st round pick, whatever Crowder would net in a trade as far as future assets and the Memphis 1st rounder. That's a haul right there.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm now putting the chances at less than 50% he stays. The money, role, and familiarity are our biggest assets I think. If he makes all NBA I'd feel better about it. I guess if PG makes all NBA that is fine too as he could sign the megamax with Indiana in that scenario and not want to be traded.

Would be devastating to lose Hayward right now but I think it was the right play sticking with it. Whatever he netted in a trade this year likely wouldn't have made a huge difference to the reconfiguration of the roster. DL send cookies to his house every day... gotta keep this guy.

 

[fishonjazz]

No, you have birds rights to whoever is on your team I believe. For instance, the Warriors will have Durant's birds right after he (most likely) opts out this year.

Ya so I think he is saying that since hayward is the jazz own player then they have his bird rights so the jazz could sign him for 5 years (the Celtics couldn't) and then, after signing him, trade him to Boston (like a sign and trade or something)

Boston does this to get the extra year that only the jazz can sign him to.

At least that's what I think jazzgazm is saying.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Ya so I think he is saying that since hayward is the jazz own player then they have his bird rights so the jazz could sign him for 5 years (the Celtics couldn't) and then, after signing him, trade him to Boston (like a sign and trade or something)

Boston does this to get the extra year that only the jazz can sign him to.

At least that's what I think jazzgazm is saying.

Yes. I get the logic, I just dont think it makes any sense. Boston isn't trading a #1 pick for a single extra year of Hayward when they could have the #1 pick and 4 years of Hayward.

1. Boston wouldn't do that if they think they just outright sign Hayward.
2. If Hayward wanted to go to Boston, it's in part due to their assets they have so why would he want to handicap his future team? I dont think the 5th year is that important to him if he wants to go to Boston, and if it is, he would just stay with Utah.
3. If Boston does get Utah, I have a feeling it will be because Boston tells him they are going to use the #1 pick to get Paul George, forming a super team. So them trading the #1 pick to get Hayward seems unlikely because it would take away from what I believe (would potentially) attract Hayward to Boston.

 

[jjscap]

Gobert > Isaiah
In fact that's 41 cm difference (you should try metric system too)
Celtics have some valuable assets but their roster is not impressive. That's an overachieving team. Eastern Conference is weak, their success this season does not mean anything. They almost got beaten in R1 by the lowly Bulls anyway.

Before all Hayward is kind of cornered. The Utah Jazz are on the rise, they can only get better next season. If he left in the middle of this surge he would look like a total jerk. If he's considering leaving because he want to win a c'ship, he might as well join the GSW or CLE or team up with CP3, Anthony Davis or something. Celtics are like 3 pieces away from contending.

 

[fishonjazz]

Yes. I get the logic, I just dont think it makes any sense. Boston isn't trading a #1 pick for a single extra year of Hayward when they could have the #1 pick and 4 years of Hayward.

1. Boston wouldn't do that if they think they just outright sign Hayward.
2. If Hayward wanted to go to Boston, it's in part due to their assets they have so why would he want to handicap his future team? I dont think the 5th year is that important to him if he wants to go to Boston, and if it is, he would just stay with Utah.
3. If Boston does get Utah, I have a feeling it will be because Boston tells him they are going to use the #1 pick to get Paul George, forming a super team. So them trading the #1 pick to get Hayward seems unlikely because it would take away from what I believe (would potentially) attract Hayward to Boston.

Agreed

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Yes. I get the logic, I just dont think it makes any sense. Boston isn't trading a #1 pick for a single extra year of Hayward when they could have the #1 pick and 4 years of Hayward.

1. Boston wouldn't do that if they think they just outright sign Hayward.
2. If Hayward wanted to go to Boston, it's in part due to their assets they have so why would he want to handicap his future team? I dont think the 5th year is that important to him if he wants to go to Boston, and if it is, he would just stay with Utah.
3. If Boston does get Utah, I have a feeling it will be because Boston tells him they are going to use the #1 pick to get Paul George, forming a super team. So them trading the #1 pick to get Hayward seems unlikely because it would take away from what I believe (would potentially) attract Hayward to Boston.

Don't know if this is within the rules, but Fish said it would be a sign and trade. Paton would be trading for 5 years of Hayward, and they for sure get him.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Gobert > Isaiah
In fact that's 41 cm difference (you should try metric system too)
Celtics have some valuable assets but their roster is not impressive. That's an overachieving team. Eastern Conference is weak, their success this season does not mean anything. They almost got beaten in R1 by the lowly Bulls anyway.

Before all Hayward is kind of cornered. The Utah Jazz are on the rise, they can only get better next season. If he left in the middle of this surge he would look like a total jerk. If he's considering leaving because he want to win a c'ship, he might as well join the GSW or CLE or team up with CP3, Anthony Davis or something. Celtics are like 3 pieces away from contending.

If Boston gets Hayward, they probably arent planning on IT long-term. It would be Hayward/Horford and either a slew of talented young players or Paul George.

So the question that might cross Hayward's mind is Gobert/Hayward/??? or Hayward/George/Horford?

Probably depends on what Utah does this off-season to convince Hayward to stay. Hard to pass up that potential Boston team in an easier conference if you believe LBJ fades before the super team of GSW fade. Both teams would be cap strapped against the LT, but Boston still has the 2018 Brooklyn pick (not to mention w/e assets they could squeeze out of an IT trade). They would have better young assets to build with than Utah, who would lack a 3rd player as good as Horford without a clear way of getting one.

That will be the pitch Boston throws at Hayward. Will be a super tough decision for him. Trading IT would make Hayward in line to be the star of Boston. Before someone says "Paul George would be the star", you really think a white guy as good as Hayward in Boston isnt going to be the face of the team?