Then he should have stayed all 4 years at Butler to help Stevens win a national championship.
Boston vs Utah for Hayward
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Then he should have stayed all 4 years at Butler to help Stevens win a national championship.
Kind of a ridiculous statement. I'm sure Stevens is someone who helped Hayward make his decision to enter the NBA.
Exactly, which is why assuming Hayward feels an obligation to go to Boston because Stevens was the first to believe in him may be ridiculous, too.
No, I don think it is. I dont think he feels "obligated". I think he just has a connection to Steven because he always believed in him. The Jazz didnt. They told Hayward to go find a max because we are going to bet you cant and we will get you at a better deal. They played the business card with Hayward. If you are someone who cares about loyalty and commitment, that hurts. That might have severed some feelings of Hayward being loyal/connected to the Jazz organisation.
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Good find.
That sucks
How much of that would we attribute to KOC? That was Lindsey's first real off-season as GM and he was really GM in title as KOC was still running the shots until he stepped away, and that move is really classic KOC MO. So this all happened before Greg and KOC stepped out of the way and before Snyder. It's a new franchise. I'm curious how he sees it.
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Boston is a legit threat... we need them to eff it up somehow, but they seem to be making all the right moves and having some serious luck on their side... almost eliminated by the bulls in the first round... rondo eating them up... then the injury.
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Timing of this podcast seems planned... I hate how much reach BS has sometimes.
Reach? This dude works on his website. I dont think Bill Simmons hired this dude just because he loosely knows Hayward. And yeah, the podcast is about Boston after they got the #1 pick. What else are they going to talk about?
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As in he has market reach... like people will hear this. The number one pick stuff is fine, but he could do that with O'connor Tsharks (sp?) or Vernon. Throwing the Hayward stuff in detail now just feels like it was timed... not that it sways, but builds off the paranoia and media are all copycats.
I mean its kind of hard not to ask the guy when you find out he played HS ball with Hayward and was coached by Stevens in the 3rd grade
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The Jazz invested a lottery pick in him (which most on here thought was a reach) and gutted the team to let him grow as a leader of we now have. They then surrounded him with players to put him in a situation to win in the playoffs. That is at least the equal of extending a scholarship to Butler, no?
Yeah. I'm sure he likes the Jazz, but there isn't that undying loyalty and it might be because of that moment.
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There should be a rule instated where if a team signs another team's free agent above a certain dollar amount (near the max), that the team losing a player gets a pick somehow. It's just so dicked that a team could spend seven+ years building something and then just have it destroyed because a player walks. Specific to the cap spike happening now, franchises are getting decimated because of the ability for a select few franchises being able to create super-teams in previously unfathomable ways.
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Yep. They screwed up there if they wanted him to be a long term piece. He had just had a bad year, but they didn't really have any crazy salary concerns over the next years anyway. Could have had him under contract for one more year, too.
I think this is probably overstated. What does it mean that the coach of a mid-major with no history of success "believed" in a local 6' 8" wing? Sounds like an absolute homerun prospect for Butler and Stevens. If Hayward were to have sucked, that school and team is out a roster spot.
Conversely, the Jazz had millions and millions at stake in free agency. I'm sure Hayward is smart enough to understand the difference. I'd certainly hope, and not just because I want him to stay: they simply are not comparable.
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Yeah like the compensatory pick in the NFL would be kind of nice. It doesn't work as well to compare because they draft more players, and are less reliant on one guy, but I think this would be a really good idea. I'm sure there are all kinds of secondary problems that a system like that would create, though.
More from the media reality distortion field...
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If Boston trades the #1 pick to Chicago and gets Butler while preserving cap room to sign Hayward, that could be a problem.
The Lakers are apparently going to draft their rookie and try to acquire a free agent next summer -- e.g., Paul George, Westbrook, maybe Hayward.
The Lakers are apparently going to draft their rookie and try to acquire a free agent next summer -- e.g., Paul George, Westbrook, maybe Hayward.
Yes, it made Hayward understand it's just a business. It took out the loyalty aspect for him. Maybe I am overstating it, but it something Locke says he still thinks bothers Hayward.
It was just a terrible job by Dennis Lindsey. It was stupid to try and play hardball with the team's best player over a few million dollars more a year, especially in hindsight with how far under the cap we have been for the 3 years since he got the deal. Even if Hayward re-signs, it still a mishandled deal that will hurt the Jazz this year in free agency (unless Hayward makes all-nba team and opts back into his deal).