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Saint Cy of JFC said:
I already explained the rare set of circumstances that allowed the GSW to happen. It isnt going to happen again, or at least highly unlikely. I dont think the league should punish GSW for running their team properly.

And look, the NBA has their LT set-up in a way that when Draymond and Klay come up on their next contracts, they will likely have to change teams. In the mean time they should be able to enjoy their dominance because they drafted well and outsmarted everyone at the perfect time.

And Utah is a team that has said they are willing to go into the LT. They are a team that benefits from no hard cap. Take your communist hard-cap elsewhere.
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We'll just have to wait and see. GSW are building a STADIUM, I'm pretty sure they can spend the little extra cash to keep the team together.



Also the hard cap idea isn't just my idea, I believe the League has been pushing for it for years - it's the Players Association that didn't want to go for it.
 
Oh look, another 20 point halftime lead.

Horrible product this year. Other than Clips/Jazz and Celtics/Wizards, this is probably the worst postseason in recent memory.
 
Avery said:
Oh look, another 20 point halftime lead.

Horrible product this year. Other than Clips/Jazz and Celtics/Wizards, this is probably the worst postseason in recent memory.
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Worst ever. And if GSW are willing to pay Luxury Tax this could keep going for years to come.



I really think the League should step in.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Because those small market teams want to exist and they are in regions where they need teams I guess? Small market teams are fine. You know Cleveland is a small market team, right? There were X amount of teams at one point then the NBA said "Hey, I think we can add more teams and there are people who want to be owners of teams" so they added more teams.

I outlined a rule change that would make more parity. A hard cap isnt a good move. Less restrictions should be put on teams if anything.

1. Abolish Draft
2. Abolish max contracts
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This is pretty much the dumbest **** I've ever read on Jazzfanz.

Holy ****. The former is why the Yankees have 27 World Championships.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I already explained the rare set of circumstances that allowed the GSW to happen. It isnt going to happen again, or at least highly unlikely. I dont think the league should punish GSW for running their team properly.

And look, the NBA has their LT set-up in a way that when Draymond and Klay come up on their next contracts, they will likely have to change teams. In the mean time they should be able to enjoy their dominance because they drafted well and outsmarted everyone at the perfect time.

And Utah is a team that has said they are willing to go into the LT. They are a team that benefits from no hard cap. Take your communist hard-cap elsewhere.
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Klay doesn't come up for two more years, Draymond for three. They could very well win this year and next, watch Klay walk, and yet still win it all with a Big Three as Lebron breaks down in old age.
 
ONE LOVE said:
We'll just have to wait and see. GSW are building a STADIUM, I'm pretty sure they can spend the little extra cash to keep the team together.



Also the hard cap idea isn't just my idea, I believe the League has been pushing for it for years - it's the Players Association that didn't want to go for it.
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Yes, it's never going to happen.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
This is pretty much the dumbest **** I've ever read on Jazzfanz.

Holy ****. The former is why the Yankees have 27 World Championships.
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No, I believe in baseball there is no salary cap and just a luxury tax.

But explain to me why what I said is so stupid.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No, I believe in baseball there is no salary cap and just a luxury tax.

But explain to me why what I said is so stupid.
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Because there wasn't a draft in MLB before 1965 and it's why the Yankees typically got the best of the best and won so many pennants and world titles. They had the money to sign who they wanted.

Seriously, that idea is ****ing dumb as ****. I'm sure you'll continue to argue otherwise though.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Because there wasn't a draft in MLB before 1965 and it's why the Yankees typically got the best of the best and won so many pennants and world titles. They had the money to sign who they wanted.

Seriously, that idea is ****ing dumb as ****. I'm sure you'll continue to argue otherwise though.
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Yes, I will. You seem to be instantly dismissive of the idea without weighing the pros and cons.

Baseball and basketball are completely different sports. Baseball has an intensive farm system that prospects are willing to go through. So in theory the Yankees could really just sign a ton of top prospects left and right and give them all significant development time that probably fits their desires.

Basketball is not like that. Top prospects in basketball want to get playing time right away. Top prospects dont even want to workout for teams that have their position filled. Would this benefit teams like the Lakers/Knicks/Heat, sure. But it would also benefit Utah. Not every top PG can sign with the Lakers or Knicks.

For example, right now there are 5 top PG prospects in this year's expected top 10: Lonzo Ball, Markelle Fultz, DeAron Fox, Dennis Smith Jr, and Frank Ntklina. All five of those guys arent going to the Lakers. Would any of them want to go to the Knicks given Kristaps Porzingis recent comments and how the triangle negates the PG? Would any of them want to go the Heat who have Goran Dragic as the incumbent starter?

Comparing it to baseball is intellectually dishonest. This system would negate tanking in every way because teams would be encouraged to look competent and to win. It would also give teams who are very good chances to become great. It also gives teams who are very good to fill positions of need where incumbent starters who are FA are asking for too much (see Utah and George Hill). Do you honestly think Utah would have no chance at landing one of the top 5 PGs in this draft?

What about the 90's Jazz with Stockton/Malone? During all those years of being a very good team and making the lottery, what if they could attract a top rookie to join them at some point? They have a better chance doing that way than the conventional draft that continually punished them for being a good team while rewarding ****ty teams for being ****ty that just stayed ****ty and in no way challenged the status quo of Jordan/Celtics/Lakers/Pistons.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yes, I will.

Baseball and basketball are completely different sports. Baseball has an intensive farm system that prospects are willing to go through. So in theory the Yankees could really just sign a ton of top prospects left and right and give them all significant development time that probably fits their desires.

Basketball is not like that. Top prospects in basketball want to get playing time right away. Top prospects dont even want to workout for teams that have their position filled. Would this benefit teams like the Lakers/Knicks/Heat, sure. But it would also benefit Utah. Not every top PG can sign with the Lakers or Knicks.

For example, right now there are 5 top PG prospects in this year's expected top 10: Lonzo Ball, Markelle Fultz, DeAron Fox, Dennis Smith Jr, and Frank Ntklina. All five of those guys arent going to the Lakers. Would any of them want to go to the Knicks given Kristaps Porzingis recent comments and how the triangle negates the PG? Would any of them want to go the Heat who have Goran Dragic as the incumbent starter?

Comparing it to baseball is intellectually dishonest. This system would negate tanking in every way because teams would be encouraged to look competent and to win. It would also give teams who are very good chances to become great. It also gives teams who are very good to fill positions of need where incumbent starters who are FA are asking for too much (see Utah and George Hill). Do you honestly think Utah would have no chance at landing one of the top 5 PGs in this draft?

What about the 90's Jazz with Stockton/Malone? During all those years of being a very good team and making the lottery, what if they could attract a top rookie to join them at some point? They have a better chance doing that way than the conventional draft that continually punished them for being a good team while rewarding ****ty teams for being ****ty that just stayed ****ty and in no way challenged the status quo of Jordan/Celtics/Lakers/Pistons.
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ROFL at you calling me intellectually dishonest.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
ROFL at you calling me intellectually dishonest.
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Great response. And yes, you are being if you compare the two systems.

In basketball you have roster sizes of 15 (now 17), in baseball you can have unlimited amount of players throughout multiple farm systems.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Let's see how much do you think the Knicks would offer one of these point guards and how much do you think Utahr would?
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No idea. It would be a brand new system and I'm not sure how teams would play it. It would be impossible for me to know how much Utah and New York value these players. I know the #1 pick is going to me something like 36 million over 4 years (I might be wrong on that, but I know this year is going to be the highest). It would be really interesting to see how much someone would be willing to pay them.

You could always put a cap on rookie contracts (though I would prefer that not be the case, I think there should be a rule of if you are over the cap, you can't offer above a certain amount to a rookie, similar to how the MLE exist).

New York isnt exactly a prime destination for a young PG. I dont think any of the top PG's would choose New York. New York can blow all their money on a rookie PG if they want, it's their choice. The big market fear is somewhat overblown. Free agents have been choosing winning situations over market dominance. This past year Lakers had to settle for signing Mozgov and Deng while New York got the remains of Joakihm Noah.

You seem to have this fear it would just make the Lakers and Knicks dominant and great, and it might (which would be great for the NBA), but it would also allow teams like Utah to have a chance to put themselves over the top and not just max out as a pretty good team that has to lose all their players to over-reaching salary demands (George Hill) or more attractive situations (Hayward).
 
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