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Bodyslam a reporter in montan and still win an election! that's how much the media is HATED

It's a very red state, and I never thought he was going to lose. Trump's base does indeed hate the liberal media. But, bear in mind, this also shows how far our political discourse has descended into the gutter. For many, the Commander in Chief has also become the Role Model in Chief, and in part at least, the event itself, and the election results can be laid at the feet of a man who said the press was "the enemy of the American people". Not everyone will see this descent into ugliness as cause for celebration. Regardless of what side of our increasingly polarized society, developments like this should be cause for concern, and not outright glee. Who really wants to see our political discourse stoop to such ugliness? Certainly enemies of this country for one. But that's JMHO....

I guess we might also,point out that 2/3rd of the ballots were cast before the bodyslam, although he still would have won...
 
Red said:
It's a very red state, and I never thought he was going to lose. Trump's base does indeed hate the liberal media. But, bear in mind, this also shows how far our political discourse has descended into the gutter. For many, the Commander in Chief has also become the Role Model in Chief, and in part at least, the event itself, and the election results can be laid at the feet of a man who said the press was "the enemy of the American people". Not everyone will see this descent into ugliness as cause for celebration. Regardless of what side of our increasingly polarized society, developments like this should be cause for concern, and not outright glee. Who really wants to see our political discourse stoop to such ugliness? Certainly enemies of this country for one. But that's JMHO....

I guess we might also,point out that 2/3rd of the ballots were cast before the bodyslam, although he still would have won...
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soo only trump is to blame! no blame whatsoever for the lying media! who have been lying their ****ing asses off for YEARS before trump came along!

trump wa snever ever called a raciast, until the day he announced his plans to run for president! the media jumped on him calling him racist, bigot, homophobe like they do with every single republican candidate nfor the last 10 years!

yeah right lets blame trump! remove him from office, and keep accepting the lying media's toxic neo marxist post modern behaviour!
who keeps lying to our faces! sometimes they don't lie but manipulate us with useless information!

for example a headline calling the Manchester bomber an born in Manchester soccer fan, those statements are true but not headline worthy, and irrelevant to the crime! to manipulate the people! to obfuscate the truth. that the motivation for this bomber was his religion and refugee background of his parents!
 
 
The one thing that is always needed in these instances, and that always seems to be lacking, or worse, falsified or edited, is context. Context is king.
 
Red said:
It's a very red state, and I never thought he was going to lose. Trump's base does indeed hate the liberal media. But, bear in mind, this also shows how far our political discourse has descended into the gutter. For many, the Commander in Chief has also become the Role Model in Chief, and in part at least, the event itself, and the election results can be laid at the feet of a man who said the press was "the enemy of the American people". Not everyone will see this descent into ugliness as cause for celebration. Regardless of what side of our increasingly polarized society, developments like this should be cause for concern, and not outright glee. Who really wants to see our political discourse stoop to such ugliness? Certainly enemies of this country for one. But that's JMHO....

I guess we might also,point out that 2/3rd of the ballots were cast before the bodyslam, although he still would have won...
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Calling it a very red state is highly disenginous.

While Montana presidentially is basically always conservative, it often votes Democrat for Gov, Senate, Congress and other electable position.

Gianforte also received more votes on Thursday than Quist did, so don't blame early voting either.

Gianforte won because Rob Quist was one of the worst candidates for office that I've ever seen on my life.
 
Red said:
It's a very red state, and I never thought he was going to lose. Trump's base does indeed hate the liberal media. But, bear in mind, this also shows how far our political discourse has descended into the gutter. For many, the Commander in Chief has also become the Role Model in Chief, and in part at least, the event itself, and the election results can be laid at the feet of a man who said the press was "the enemy of the American people". Not everyone will see this descent into ugliness as cause for celebration. Regardless of what side of our increasingly polarized society, developments like this should be cause for concern, and not outright glee. Who really wants to see our political discourse stoop to such ugliness? Certainly enemies of this country for one. But that's JMHO....

I guess we might also,point out that 2/3rd of the ballots were cast before the bodyslam, although he still would have won...
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Calling it a very red state is highly disenginous.

While Montana presidentially is basically always conservative, it often votes Democrat for Gov, Senate, Congress and other electable position.

Gianforte also received more votes on Thursday than Quist did, so don't blame early voting either.

Gianforte won because Rob Quist was one of the worst candidates for office that I've ever seen on my life.
 
Fwiw, I know Gianforte. This was highly out of character for him, and he had apologized. He's a really good guy tbh. Very bright.
 
LogGrad98 said:
The one thing that is always needed in these instances, and that always seems to be lacking, or worse, falsified or edited, is context. Context is king.
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JustTheTip said:
Fwiw, I know Gianforte. This was highly out of character for him, and he had apologized. He's a really good guy tbh. Very bright.
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Context. He may have been hounded by this guy the whole day and then this one snippet, when he has finally had enough harassment, makes it into the news and it touted as the whole story. Would it excuse a physical altercation? No, but it would make it understandable, and far less demonic. But the goal is to show people as crazy as possible since that is what people want to see. Showing a nice BBQ that brought people together doesn't garner as many viewers as showing the crazy repub that must be abusive to everyone since he randomly attacked an innocent reporter and tried to kill him!!1!!! Zomg!!! That is what "sells".
 
I also doubt he body-slammed him. Have you never watched wrestling? I doubt the guy picked him up off the floor, turned him upside-down, and slammed him back onto the ground.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRFXpgiLg3g

i like tucker Carlson, but don't fully agree with him on this. but still a different point of view!
 
I do think the win has more to do with Montana liking Trump, more then hatred of the liberal media. We do seem to be arriving at the point where we will always have 2 sets of facts to choose from. Liberal news and conservative news. The post truth era. Once a sufficient number of people can no longer discern what the truth is, well, that just does not seem to be a very good place to be, IMO. Trump won Montana by 20 percentage pointo, and I imagine if there had been no Mail in ballots, a closer result would be the case, but I seriously doubt this election reflects a referendum on hatred of the media. I doubt the event had much of an impact at all, even with Montana newspapers withdrawing endorsements of the GOP candidate. Sorry state of affairs....

The only reason I am pasting the entire Post article here is because they require a subscription after 10 visits to their site:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...94ee67a7582_story.html?utm_term=.eb288727b1d3

The darker forces that propelled President Trump’s rise are beginning to frame and define the rest of the Republican Party.

When GOP House candidate Greg Gianforte assaulted a reporter who had attempted to ask him a question Wednesday night in Montana, many saw not an isolated outburst by an individual, but the obvious, violent result of Trump’s charge that journalists are “the enemy of the people.” Nonetheless, Gianforte won Thursday’s special election to fill a safe Republican seat.

“Respectfully, I’d submit that the president has unearthed some demons,” Rep. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.) said. “I’ve talked to a number of people about it back home. They say, ‘Well, look, if the president can say whatever, why can’t I say whatever?’ He’s given them license.”

Trump — and specifically, his character and his conduct — now thoroughly dominate the national political conversation.

Traditional policy arguments over whether entitlement programs should be overhauled, or taxes cut, are regularly upstaged by a new burst of pyrotechnics.

The dynamic is shaping the contours of this year’s smattering of special congressional elections and contests for governor, as well as the jockeying ahead the 2018 midterm elections.

“It’s an entirely different atmosphere,” Michael Steele, a former Republican National Committee chairman, said. “The president isn’t ideological and ideology is no longer the anchor. So when reporters put microphones in candidates’ faces, they’re asking about the president, tweets, character, your moral outlook and not about a particular policy.”

Few Republicans expect party leaders to do anything to lessen the toxicity.

Charlie Sykes, a conservative former talk-show host in Wisconsin and author of the forthcoming “How the Right Lost Its Mind,” said “every time something like Montana happens, Republicans adjust their standards and put an emphasis on team loyalty. They normalize and accept previously unacceptable behavior.”

Those who still navigate by the old maps are having trouble staying on course.

Karen Handel, a conventional Republican running in next month’s special House election in Georgia, has railed against Obamacare, and campaigned alongside House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.), who called her “tested and true.” But she has been scorched endlessly on television for her support of the president. Her Democratic opponent has claimed “embarrasses our country” and “acts recklessly.”

Other GOP candidates, emboldened by Trump’s success at shattering norms, have ventured further to test the limits of what the electorate can stomach.

Corey Stewart, a former state chairman for Trump’s presidential campaign, has embraced Confederate symbols as his gubernatorial bid has flailed in Virginia, horrifying party leaders ahead of the June 13 primary and forcing the GOP front-runner to respond.

His primary opponent, former Republican National Committee chairman Ed Gillespie has seen his steady, well-funded campaign for governor all but drowned out recently by Stewart’s rage over the effort to remove Confederate statues from public spaces, which Stewart has said is proof that “ISIS has won.” Their primary clashes have been more over style and political correctness than any particular issue.

Gillespie still has the edge. “Corey has labeled himself as Trump’s Mini-Me, but the mojo ain’t there,” Shaun Kenney, the former executive director of Virginia’s Republican Party, said earlier this year. But it remains to be seen whether Stewart has damaged the GOP brand for the general election.

Other polished exemplars of the establishment have struggled to set themselves apart.

Handel, a fixture of state politics, has seen suburban voters in her district, which has been in Republican hands since 1979, grow so uneasy about Trump that her once unknown Democratic challenger, Jon Ossoff, has taken the lead in polls.

Ossoff has seized on Trump’s decision to fire James Comey as the FBI’s then-director investigated Russian interference in the 2016 presidential race.

But for some Republican contenders, Trump has been a model — nowhere more so than in deeply red Montana. Gianforte, a wealthy businessman, touted his full-throated support for the president and pledged to “drain the swamp” in his campaign against Rob Quist, a country music artist.

Gianforte’s election-eve outburst capped weeks of frothing frustration within the ranks in Montana and elsewhere about scrutiny of Trump and Republicans in the media, with the Trump-friendly candidate reacting physically and angrily to a question from Guardian reporter Ben Jacobs.

Ryan, who has labored to swing the spotlight away from GOP missteps and toward his agenda, criticized Gianforte’s actions and said “there is no time a physical altercation should occur.” But he did not rescind his endorsement and, along with other Republicans, plodded forward Thursday reluctant to delve into a character debate. “I’m going to let the people of Montana decide,” he said.

The Republican lurch away from running highly-disciplined, by-the-book campaigns on curbing spending and stoking economic growth is, in part, the evidence of how fully Trump has upended the party. Republicans haven’t abandoned the views and positions they have cultivated since Ronald Reagan’s presidency, but instead appear unable to focus on them.

Trump’s barrage of news-making and controversy drives the GOP even at its lowest levels, with his raucous populism and blustering behavior reshaping its identity. Candidates often are either adopting aspects of his persona or finding themselves having to fitfully explain why they back him despite them. Coupled with a national conservative media complex that sears the press as much as it does Democrats, they are navigating a highly-charged and volatile environment.

Fox News, the network beloved by Republicans, has also found itself dealing with the right’s disruptive fury and questions of conduct, even among its high-profile hosts. Sean Hannity has been criticized and lost advertisers for promoting a conspiratorial account of the slaying of a former Democratic National Committee staffer. Hannity has reacted by charging that “liberal fascists” were conspiring to cripple his career.

Some advocates for the press say that the culture Trump has created within his party is responsible and has had a cascading effect on the way 2017 campaigns have unfolded.

“Before the 2016 campaign, we could at least expect civility from candidates and their staffs,” Lucy A. Dalglish, the dean of Philip Merrill College of Journalism at the University of Maryland, said. “Trump has declared open season on journalists, and politicians and members of his Cabinet have joined the hunt.”

Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania’s Annenberg School for Communication, added: “By casting the press as the enemy of the American people, Donald Trump has contributed to a climate of discourse consistent with assaulting a reporter for asking an inconvenient question.”

For Democrats, the GOP disarray presents perhaps the ripest opportunity for a blue political wave in over a decade, especially if the Republicans are alienating suburban professionals and independents.

In Georgia, for instance, Democrat Ossoff is running not as a vocal young progressive but a thoughtful, middle-of-the-road and careful Democrat. Republicans Gillespie and Handel are shying away from Trump-style theatrics.

Democrats, who are in the midst of their own political tug-of-war between progressives and centrists, have not yet been able to translate the Republican scandals and Trump tiffs into convincing wins.

Ossoff nearly captured the Georgia seat last month, but did not garner enough votes and the race went to a runoff.

Yet there have been flashes of opportunity: Democrats won two special state legislative elections this week in New York, with one of the pick-ups coming in a district that Trump won.

In early April, Republicans fended off a strong Democratic challenger in ruby-red Kansas in this year’s first special House election, following last-minute support from Trump and Vice President Pence. Republican Ron Estes won by 8 percentage points; two years earlier a Republican had won the seat by 31 percentage points.

Meanwhile, in New Jersey’s gubernatorial campaign, the two leading Republicans running ahead of a June 6 primary — Lt. Gov. Kim Guadagno and Assemblyman Jack Ciattarelli — are dealing with the cloud not only of Trump but of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R), whose tumultuous leadership and bridge-closing scandal has left the state GOP fractured and been a burden on the Republican hopefuls.

Longtime watchers of Trump do not expect him to speak out against Gianforte or to urge his party against the politics of bellicosity.

They recalled that he fiercely defended his then campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, when he was accused last year of grabbing a female reporter’s arm. Trump himself once said of a protester at one of his campaign rallies: “I’d like to punch him in the face.”

In the Trump era, it is far from clear what is over the line — or even if a line exists any more.

“There is a total weirdness out there,” Sanford said. “People feel like, if the president of the United States can say anything to anybody at any time, then I guess I can too. And that is a very dangerous phenomenon.”
 
Red said:
I do think the win has more to do with Montana liking Trump, more then hatred of the liberal media. We do seem to be arriving at the point where we will always have 2 sets of facts to choose from. Liberal news and conservative news. The post truth era. Once a sufficient number of people can no longer discern what the truth is, well, that just does not seem to be a very good place to be, IMO. Trump won Montana by 20 percentage pointo, and I imagine if there had been no Mail in ballots, a closer result would be the case, but I seriously doubt this election reflects a referendum on hatred of the media. I doubt the event had much of an impact at all, even with Montana newspapers withdrawing endorsements of the GOP candidate. Sorry state of affairs....

The only reason I am pasting the entire Post article here is because they require a subscription after 10 visits to their site:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...94ee67a7582_story.html?utm_term=.eb288727b1d3

The darker forces that propelled President Trump’s rise are beginning to frame and define the rest of the Republican Party.

When GOP House candidate Greg Gianforte assaulted a reporter who had attempted to ask him a question Wednesday night in Montana, many saw not an isolated outburst by an individual, but the obvious, violent result of Trump’s charge that journalists are “the enemy of the people.” Nonetheless, Gianforte won Thursday’s special election to fill a safe Republican seat.

“Respectfully, I’d submit that the president has unearthed some demons,” Rep. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.) said. “I’ve talked to a number of people about it back home. They say, ‘Well, look, if the president can say whatever, why can’t I say whatever?’ He’s given them license.”

Trump — and specifically, his character and his conduct — now thoroughly dominate the national political conversation.

Traditional policy arguments over whether entitlement programs should be overhauled, or taxes cut, are regularly upstaged by a new burst of pyrotechnics.

The dynamic is shaping the contours of this year’s smattering of special congressional elections and contests for governor, as well as the jockeying ahead the 2018 midterm elections.

“It’s an entirely different atmosphere,” Michael Steele, a former Republican National Committee chairman, said. “The president isn’t ideological and ideology is no longer the anchor. So when reporters put microphones in candidates’ faces, they’re asking about the president, tweets, character, your moral outlook and not about a particular policy.”

Few Republicans expect party leaders to do anything to lessen the toxicity.

Charlie Sykes, a conservative former talk-show host in Wisconsin and author of the forthcoming “How the Right Lost Its Mind,” said “every time something like Montana happens, Republicans adjust their standards and put an emphasis on team loyalty. They normalize and accept previously unacceptable behavior.”

Those who still navigate by the old maps are having trouble staying on course.

Karen Handel, a conventional Republican running in next month’s special House election in Georgia, has railed against Obamacare, and campaigned alongside House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.), who called her “tested and true.” But she has been scorched endlessly on television for her support of the president. Her Democratic opponent has claimed “embarrasses our country” and “acts recklessly.”

Other GOP candidates, emboldened by Trump’s success at shattering norms, have ventured further to test the limits of what the electorate can stomach.

Corey Stewart, a former state chairman for Trump’s presidential campaign, has embraced Confederate symbols as his gubernatorial bid has flailed in Virginia, horrifying party leaders ahead of the June 13 primary and forcing the GOP front-runner to respond.

His primary opponent, former Republican National Committee chairman Ed Gillespie has seen his steady, well-funded campaign for governor all but drowned out recently by Stewart’s rage over the effort to remove Confederate statues from public spaces, which Stewart has said is proof that “ISIS has won.” Their primary clashes have been more over style and political correctness than any particular issue.

Gillespie still has the edge. “Corey has labeled himself as Trump’s Mini-Me, but the mojo ain’t there,” Shaun Kenney, the former executive director of Virginia’s Republican Party, said earlier this year. But it remains to be seen whether Stewart has damaged the GOP brand for the general election.

Other polished exemplars of the establishment have struggled to set themselves apart.

Handel, a fixture of state politics, has seen suburban voters in her district, which has been in Republican hands since 1979, grow so uneasy about Trump that her once unknown Democratic challenger, Jon Ossoff, has taken the lead in polls.

Ossoff has seized on Trump’s decision to fire James Comey as the FBI’s then-director investigated Russian interference in the 2016 presidential race.

But for some Republican contenders, Trump has been a model — nowhere more so than in deeply red Montana. Gianforte, a wealthy businessman, touted his full-throated support for the president and pledged to “drain the swamp” in his campaign against Rob Quist, a country music artist.

Gianforte’s election-eve outburst capped weeks of frothing frustration within the ranks in Montana and elsewhere about scrutiny of Trump and Republicans in the media, with the Trump-friendly candidate reacting physically and angrily to a question from Guardian reporter Ben Jacobs.

Ryan, who has labored to swing the spotlight away from GOP missteps and toward his agenda, criticized Gianforte’s actions and said “there is no time a physical altercation should occur.” But he did not rescind his endorsement and, along with other Republicans, plodded forward Thursday reluctant to delve into a character debate. “I’m going to let the people of Montana decide,” he said.

The Republican lurch away from running highly-disciplined, by-the-book campaigns on curbing spending and stoking economic growth is, in part, the evidence of how fully Trump has upended the party. Republicans haven’t abandoned the views and positions they have cultivated since Ronald Reagan’s presidency, but instead appear unable to focus on them.

Trump’s barrage of news-making and controversy drives the GOP even at its lowest levels, with his raucous populism and blustering behavior reshaping its identity. Candidates often are either adopting aspects of his persona or finding themselves having to fitfully explain why they back him despite them. Coupled with a national conservative media complex that sears the press as much as it does Democrats, they are navigating a highly-charged and volatile environment.

Fox News, the network beloved by Republicans, has also found itself dealing with the right’s disruptive fury and questions of conduct, even among its high-profile hosts. Sean Hannity has been criticized and lost advertisers for promoting a conspiratorial account of the slaying of a former Democratic National Committee staffer. Hannity has reacted by charging that “liberal fascists” were conspiring to cripple his career.

Some advocates for the press say that the culture Trump has created within his party is responsible and has had a cascading effect on the way 2017 campaigns have unfolded.

“Before the 2016 campaign, we could at least expect civility from candidates and their staffs,” Lucy A. Dalglish, the dean of Philip Merrill College of Journalism at the University of Maryland, said. “Trump has declared open season on journalists, and politicians and members of his Cabinet have joined the hunt.”

Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania’s Annenberg School for Communication, added: “By casting the press as the enemy of the American people, Donald Trump has contributed to a climate of discourse consistent with assaulting a reporter for asking an inconvenient question.”

For Democrats, the GOP disarray presents perhaps the ripest opportunity for a blue political wave in over a decade, especially if the Republicans are alienating suburban professionals and independents.

In Georgia, for instance, Democrat Ossoff is running not as a vocal young progressive but a thoughtful, middle-of-the-road and careful Democrat. Republicans Gillespie and Handel are shying away from Trump-style theatrics.

Democrats, who are in the midst of their own political tug-of-war between progressives and centrists, have not yet been able to translate the Republican scandals and Trump tiffs into convincing wins.

Ossoff nearly captured the Georgia seat last month, but did not garner enough votes and the race went to a runoff.

Yet there have been flashes of opportunity: Democrats won two special state legislative elections this week in New York, with one of the pick-ups coming in a district that Trump won.

In early April, Republicans fended off a strong Democratic challenger in ruby-red Kansas in this year’s first special House election, following last-minute support from Trump and Vice President Pence. Republican Ron Estes won by 8 percentage points; two years earlier a Republican had won the seat by 31 percentage points.

Meanwhile, in New Jersey’s gubernatorial campaign, the two leading Republicans running ahead of a June 6 primary — Lt. Gov. Kim Guadagno and Assemblyman Jack Ciattarelli — are dealing with the cloud not only of Trump but of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R), whose tumultuous leadership and bridge-closing scandal has left the state GOP fractured and been a burden on the Republican hopefuls.

Longtime watchers of Trump do not expect him to speak out against Gianforte or to urge his party against the politics of bellicosity.

They recalled that he fiercely defended his then campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, when he was accused last year of grabbing a female reporter’s arm. Trump himself once said of a protester at one of his campaign rallies: “I’d like to punch him in the face.”

In the Trump era, it is far from clear what is over the line — or even if a line exists any more.

“There is a total weirdness out there,” Sanford said. “People feel like, if the president of the United States can say anything to anybody at any time, then I guess I can too. And that is a very dangerous phenomenon.”
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Ugh. Has little to do with Montana liking Trump.

Look, most Montanans weren't crazy about Trump, they just hated Hillary. But using your logic, Gianforte should have beaten the Democrat Governor he ran against, right?

People here didn't even like Gianforte that much. He won because he was running against a guy who had been a career long mediocre musician whose recent accomplishments include not paying his taxes, stiffing his contractor, and falsely reporting his income. But yeah, Gianforte won because of Trump.

Fwiw, Gianforte has given millions to schools/universities, apologized to the state, his supporters, the reporter he hit and the reporters who saw it, for his physical outburst. And tbh, if I was him, I might've done the same thing. When a reporter trespasses, repeatedly asks the same questions ignoring your responses that you'll get to him if he waits, while he shoves his phone in your face...yeah, I'd deck the guy. It was completely the wrong decision, but I freaking get it.
 
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