How would that go with Hayward? "Hey you know what... you are not getting Hill back cuz he's too expensive... but guess what... you will have a rookie PG! Awesome, right?"
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How would that go with Hayward? "Hey you know what... you are not getting Hill back cuz he's too expensive... but guess what... you will have a rookie PG! Awesome, right?"
Cappy_Smurf
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If Utah is able to re-sign even two of those guys, we most likely will need to cut salary ourselves by opting out. We don't want to trade Diaw for someone else's unwanted salary.
Portland has 3 contracts they need to get rid of. The only player I'd have any interest in is Crabbe, but we simply can't afford him if we are able to re-sign our guys.
I just don't see these teams trading us someone we want and giving us a pick/swap. They are going to want to dump their unwanted contracts.
Utah really isn't in a position to give cap relief to another team unless we lose our FAs.
Yes, the Jazz would have to take someone back. I'm assuming the Jazz are 50-50 on keeping Hill. I think that's the case regardless. I think they want to keep Hayward and Ingles, while actively exploring other options at PG. If they can find a PG they like for $14M or $16M, I think they'll go that route.
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Also, who are we taking back?
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Well, in Portland's case, they have 3 contracts they need to dump, but none of them are possibilities for Utah to take. I don't see them giving up a pick/swap without dumping one of their bad deals.
the only one that I've come to that makes sense is not for a pick but for a player - Danny Green. But in this case you lose Ingles. If the Spurs are looking for capspace to go after CP3, we can give it to them for Green. It makes sense if you think Ingles is going to get massively overpaid(14-15-16M)...
And herein lies the question - if you could choose between Ingles and Green(and you would have to choose, you won't be able to have both), who do you choose? Assuming equal salaries?
The only trade that would make sense is Utah taking Meyers Leonard.
Crabbe/Turner are too rich for a 9 spot bump.
Ezeli or Davis are probably not enough (just 1 year 7 million left on each of them) to jump 9 spots.
I guess Ingles because he is a lot more versatile on offense.
And we could get both if we find some magical way to unload Burks.
Yeah, if they can trade for Bledsoe(I think that's the best combination of fit and salary), it is possible they will be able to do it. But it has to happen after we secure Bledsoe/or another similar PG. I don't think we can go to FA without a PG or without the willingness to pay Hill. We need to have one of those in order to have a chance in hell to get Hayward back.
So lets assume the Jazz are losing Withey, Mack, Diaw.
They max Hayward and offer Ingles something like 3 years / $26M. The fact that Ingles is an RFA may soften his market a little. Not much though.
They see what Hill's market is like. They draw a line in the sand with Hill at 4 years / $80M, which I personally think is too much, but nvm.
Jazz are over the cap and pushing LT.
Next year, they let Favors walk and extend either Hood or Exum with the money.
The last asset the Jazz have to improve the roster before they hit the above scenario is last year's cap space of $13M and Diaw's non-guaranteed deal.
So the question becomes what to do with it.
They max Hayward and offer Ingles something like 3 years / $26M. The fact that Ingles is an RFA may soften his market a little. Not much though.
They see what Hill's market is like. They draw a line in the sand with Hill at 4 years / $80M, which I personally think is too much, but nvm.
Jazz are over the cap and pushing LT.
Next year, they let Favors walk and extend either Hood or Exum with the money.
The last asset the Jazz have to improve the roster before they hit the above scenario is last year's cap space of $13M and Diaw's non-guaranteed deal.
So the question becomes what to do with it.
Not really. Burks is not enough. I've made the calculations. Even after clearing Burks, if we take 10M in salary in exchange for Diaw, we will be in the tax.
So you dont think we keep Ingles if we keep Burks?
Here's the calculation with previously proposed by Catchall trade for Baynes and the no. 12 pick:
1 Bolomboy, Joel 1,312,611
2 Burks, Alec 10,845,506
3 Baynes, Aron 6,500,000
4 Exum, Dante 4,992,385
5 Favors, Derrick 12,000,000
6 Gobert, Rudy 21,224,719
7 Hayward, Gordon 30,300,000
8 Hill, George 20,000,000
9 Hood, Rodney 2,386,864
10 Ingles, Joe 8,000,000
11 Johnson, Joe 10,500,000
12 Lyles, Trey 2,441,400
13 Neto, Raul 1,471,382
14 no. 12 pick 2,759,280
15 no. 30 pick 1,394,520
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136,126,667
We are 15 million over the LUXURY tax with this plan. Lets say we dump Burks for nothing. That's ~5M over the luxury tax. This is why we need the space Boris Diaw will free... Now tell me who are you cutting out of the plan so we go under the tax.
1 Bolomboy, Joel 1,312,611
2 Burks, Alec 10,845,506
3 Baynes, Aron 6,500,000
4 Exum, Dante 4,992,385
5 Favors, Derrick 12,000,000
6 Gobert, Rudy 21,224,719
7 Hayward, Gordon 30,300,000
8 Hill, George 20,000,000
9 Hood, Rodney 2,386,864
10 Ingles, Joe 8,000,000
11 Johnson, Joe 10,500,000
12 Lyles, Trey 2,441,400
13 Neto, Raul 1,471,382
14 no. 12 pick 2,759,280
15 no. 30 pick 1,394,520
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136,126,667
We are 15 million over the LUXURY tax with this plan. Lets say we dump Burks for nothing. That's ~5M over the luxury tax. This is why we need the space Boris Diaw will free... Now tell me who are you cutting out of the plan so we go under the tax.
No way in hell. Our summer starts with dumping Burks. He's the bare minimum we need to get rid off in order to have any chance of keeping the rest of the team. I think they will try to dump Burks and hope it doesn't take too much to do it. And from then on... you still need to navigate the market and try not to overspend in order to keep the rest.
I doubt that Baynes trade happens....
Cappy_Smurf
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I'm pretty confident Ingles will be back. The only way Utah takes Meyers Leonard is if they lose Hayward. If you keep Hayward, this team isn't in the mode of taking back bad contracts in order to gain a pick.
Utah is going to be in a tough spot very soon financially, where they may not even be able to keep all their players. They simply aren't in a position to help other teams gain cap relief
Utah is going to be in a tough spot very soon financially, where they may not even be able to keep all their players. They simply aren't in a position to help other teams gain cap relief
If the Spurs want to clear cap room to pursue Chris Paul (and the Jazz don't mind for some reason), the Jazz could take a player from the Spurs using Diaw and some of last year's cap space. It kills the Clippers and keeps the Spurs from pursuing George Hill, at least.
If the Jazz want to dangle Diaw and space to lure a player (with or without pick swap) from a team like Detroit or Portland that needs help, that's another scenario that could work.
This idea that we can just offer cap space for a player like Rubio or Dragic seems far-fetched. I don't see why teams like Minny or Miami would do that deal to dump a good player.
If the Jazz want to dangle Diaw and space to lure a player (with or without pick swap) from a team like Detroit or Portland that needs help, that's another scenario that could work.
This idea that we can just offer cap space for a player like Rubio or Dragic seems far-fetched. I don't see why teams like Minny or Miami would do that deal to dump a good player.
The Jazz will spend picks to dump Burks on someone with space.
True. It doesn't matter though, it's just for demonstration purposes to show what happens if we take back any sort of salary in exchange for Diaw's contract. You can substitute that with Green or Leuer or Harkless or whoever you think will make sense to trade for with Diaw's contract.
Will be interesting. Dumping Burks seems like a pipe dream.