I'm currently talking myself into it, especially when I look at the Jazz's salary list.
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I'm currently talking myself into it, especially when I look at the Jazz's salary list.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I want Terrence Ferguson in the worst way. I think he made a huge mistake going over seas instead of going to college, if he had I think he'd be out of our range right now. Fact is he's young with less experience then most. He doesn't play much, but everytime I watch his highlights, it just looks sooooo good. It just pops out at me. And from reading about him he's improved a lot as well as his roll on his team, and seems taylor made for the jazz offense. He's way underrated.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Very good shooter and athletic as hell. Would like to see him get stronger
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I see some Klay Thompson in him.
They'll move on from Bullock. Baynes could go either way with his option. They'll still have to pay one or two rookies in addition to KCP. They'll be toeing the line with the LT, but they're basically a treadmill team.
If Ntilikina makes it to 12, they'll be pretty tempted to take him there. Otherwise, I think they could be tempted to move the pick.
[MENTION=245]Catchall[/MENTION], how do you like this trade? https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7svyow4
I targeted Minnesota because they need a SF/Stretch 4 and Marcus Morris kind of fits that while being on a good contract. Plus they have a ton of cap room since their best players are on rookie deals and Rubio is on a decent contract (also I think they are going to get medically exempt from having Pek's contract count towards the books next year).
Basically they take on the contracts of Baynes (only 1 year left, so he will be off the books by the time they have to pay up for Wiggins/LaVine) and Boban (he is probably better than Aldrich, right?). I thought about putting Leuer and Baynes in there instead of Baynes/Boban, but Leuer's contract is probably too lengthy and pricey for them since he will still on books when KAT, Wiggins, and LaVine are on their 2nd contracts.
They also give up Bejlica to Detroit, who seems like he would be a fit next to Drummond as a shooting 4. I had to throw in Payne to make it work in the trade machine.
I targeted Minnesota because they need a SF/Stretch 4 and Marcus Morris kind of fits that while being on a good contract. Plus they have a ton of cap room since their best players are on rookie deals and Rubio is on a decent contract (also I think they are going to get medically exempt from having Pek's contract count towards the books next year).
Basically they take on the contracts of Baynes (only 1 year left, so he will be off the books by the time they have to pay up for Wiggins/LaVine) and Boban (he is probably better than Aldrich, right?). I thought about putting Leuer and Baynes in there instead of Baynes/Boban, but Leuer's contract is probably too lengthy and pricey for them since he will still on books when KAT, Wiggins, and LaVine are on their 2nd contracts.
They also give up Bejlica to Detroit, who seems like he would be a fit next to Drummond as a shooting 4. I had to throw in Payne to make it work in the trade machine.
If they trade their pick they dont have to pay any rookies unless they wanted too. They wouldn't have any other first round picks, so it would be completely optional.
Easily one of my most disliked players in this draft. I dont think he is good at all and he would be terrible in the Jazz offense. Not a lot of skill outside of spot up shooting.
I think Minnesota will end up with Issac or Markannen in the draft. Payne is worthless, so the Jazz would be flipping Hood for #12. If that's the case, I think Charlotte would give #11 fwiw. The Kings might offer 10 for Hood, especially if the Jazz send back #24. The Kings would play Hood at the 3 next to Buddy Hield.
I don't think the Jazz are motivated to move Hood just yet. It's true that some goofy team may offer him a max or close to max deal, knowing that it will push the Jazz into the LT to match it. I think the Jazz would make other moves between now and then, including dumping Burks and resolving the Favors situation.
The offer to Detroit ought to primarily be based around Diaw to help them clear space, while offering #24 to soften the blow. It's giving them $7M of relief to drop 12 spots. But this is contingent upon the Jazz moving Burks, possibly moving Favors and/or not giving Hill too much money.
The offer to Detroit ought to primarily be based around Diaw to help them clear space, while offering #24 to soften the blow. It's giving them $7M of relief to drop 12 spots. But this is contingent upon the Jazz moving Burks, possibly moving Favors and/or not giving Hill too much money.
Yeah, I know. Payne just had to go somewhere to make the trade work according to the machine. IDK if that is actually the case though during the off-season, so just ignore the Payne part.
It's more about do you think that is something the Pistons or Wolves would want.
Ferguson could end up being better than Malik Monk. He's quick and he has a stroke.
Ferguson generated some buzz at the Nike Hoop Summit when he hit a string of 3s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l83JyLzI3g4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l83JyLzI3g4
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Like I said. He made a big mistake going over seas. He averaged 6 min a game. Not much chance to develop, though I did find it interesting that his role on his team began to increase and has developed a little. He's raw, no doubt, but I see him having a high ceiling. I think he's incredibly unknown just a bit.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I'm not sure what to make of Ferguson. He looks like he'll be in our range at 24. He was pretty well regarded before he went to Australia. Wasn't he supposed to play at Arizona?
If the Jazz somehow manage to sign Hill to a flat 20 million dollar contract and Ingles at 10 million, they are still looking at the core of Hill/Hayward/Gobert/Ingles costing 86 million in 2018-2019.
I think the tax line for that year will be around 125 million (from an article in February).
Add in the only two other guaranteed contract atm for 2018-2019 (Lyles and Bolomboy) and the Jazz are at 91 million for 6 roster spots. (Keep in mind I'm assuming the Jazz have found a way to dump Burks, just because I have optimism). So the Jazz have a projected 34 million left in cap room for a maximum of 9 more roster spots (not counting 2-way contracts since that added cost is so minimal).
Let's assume the Jazz draft at picks 24 and 30 this year and sign those players. According to RealGM those the 24th pick will make 1.5 million in the 2nd year and the 30th pick will get paid 1.3 in the 2nd year. Let's just round up and say 3 million for those 2 plays so the Jazz now have 31 million left for a maximum of 7 more roster spots.
Now let's take a moment to project what the max for Hood and Exum will be in 2018-2019. They will both be eligible for 25% of the cap for their max. The cap is projected to be 103 million (someone correct me if I'm wrong). That means Exum and Hood will both be up for 25 million dollars a year, roughly, as their max. With only 31 million left (ofc the Jazz can go over the LT too, this isnt written in stone, but just being pragmatic) it becomes clear we can only keep one of Dante or Hood if they both show to be good players next year.
For fun, let's say the Jazz are able to re-up on Joe Johnson for 2 more years at 6 million a year. Now the Jazz are at 25 million for a maximum of 6 more roster spots. Let's say Exum has a promising year and get's a 12 million per year contract. We are now at 13 million left for a maximum of 5 roster spots.
Now let's say Hood has a good season with limited injuries and plays well in the playoffs. What does he get then? I'll keep it semi-conservative and say he gets 18 million a year. That puts the Jazz 5 million over the LT, which isnt a big deal really, but we still need 4 more roster spots. I guess these could be filled with some more rookies and vet minimums, but as I pointed out, this is all with optimistic outcomes on dumping Burks, re-signing JJ cheaply, resigning Hill at a good value, getting Ingles at a good value, keeping Exum at a good value, and no one maxing out Hood. Those things go wrong and the Jazz quickly end up really deep into the LT.
I just think dumping Hood at this point seems like a proactive choice, given the Jazz believe in Mitchell.
No way in hell does he end up better than Monk. I dont care if Ferguson ends up on the Spurs and Monk goes to the Kings.