Cappy_Smurf
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I don't think you can trade Hood for 12 with Hayward's decision in question. That move may just encourage him to leave and if he leaves, I'd rather hang on to hood.
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I don't think you can trade Hood for 12 with Hayward's decision in question. That move may just encourage him to leave and if he leaves, I'd rather hang on to hood.
mellow
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I agree. It would have to be something special to move Hood right now.
Miggs
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Why would they dump a good player on a good deal?
You did read the part that says Detroit wants players to help them win now, right?
No idea why. Catchall is just convinced they are trying to dump salary.
Yeah, but can the Jazz pay Hood next year? That's the key question in all of this.
Maybe, but Hood also played like *** most of the year. I'm sure Hayward believes in Hood, but he cant deny his inconsistency and injury issues. I dont think trading Hood would hurt Hayward's belief in the Jazz too much. I'm pretty sure the Jazz can talk to Hayward about these things without it being tampering, right?
It would suck because I like Hood and think he can be a pretty good player, but the injury issues are undeniable and his inability to play well with injuries is even more apparent. And while I like Mitchell a lot, I dont have unwavering faith in his abilities to become an above average NBA starter, but I do love his fit on the Jazz. He seems to have "Jazz DNA" as Lindsey likes to say.
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They're heading towards the luxury tax with a 37-win team.
But they arent at the LT yet are they? Even if KCP gets a max, they are still under the LT, right? I dont see the need to dump salary rn if they can just add talent through trades (like it has been reported, not what fans want on message boards). Remember SVG is the coach/manager. He is managing the team so the coach can look good and keep his job.
Maybe next year they have to worry about that, but I'm guessing SVG wants to run it back with his team while adding some vet pieces. With a healthy Jackson and hopefully an improved Drummond, they should be a playoff team. I dont see any reason for them to hit he panic button and start dumping contracts unless they get good offers.
mellow
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Yes, you are also correct, but you have to win the hand your playing right now. Keep Hood to either win Hayward or as a stop-gap if Hayward departs. If Hayward stays Hood will still have value up to the trade deadline. If Hayward leaves Hood and Ingles are your starting wings and you can decide if you want to pay him big money next summer, or move him before the trade deadline.
I think there will still be buyers through the season, even if those offers look different than offers made leading up to the draft.
Of course all this works very well in my mind because I am risk averse and like to proceed cautiously. Maybe Mr. O'Lindsey wants to swing for the fences.
Like I said, it depends on how much the Jazz like Mitchell. If they really like him, I dont see a reason to hold off on the inevitable (if it is that way in the Jazz's mind/long-term plan). The emergence of Ingles just changes everything and gives us a reasonably priced starter who is consistent (what you want out of the 4th/5th option on offense). Is Hood really worth keeping given his inconsistency and health?
Side Note: If Hayward leaves I really ****ing hate the idea of Rodney Hood being our first option in his contract year. Just seems like a recipe for him getting overpaid.
I would love to get Zach Collins. If he was available at 12 I would trade Hood for him.
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I dont think trading 1 year of Hood and his RFA rights are worth a backup to our best player. Given Snyder's lack of willingness to play Favors at the 4, I doubt Collins is worth that much to them (if you have some grand vision of a Twin Towers situation). At this point I dont think I would do this trade for anyone besides Mitchell, maybe Frank N, but probably not.
According to this article, if they have to match a max offer to KCP they're in the luxury tax...
https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/246048/2017-NBA-Offseason-Preview-Detroit-Pistons
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They are already staring at an expensive and somewhat limited roster. Drummond is on a max contract, Jackson received a large contract when he was a free agent, and Harris was traded for while already on a large deal. This leaves Detroit potentially facing the luxury tax if they are forced to give or match a max deal for Caldwell-Pope.
Because of that, and some questionable fits on the roster, the Pistons explored trades for Jackson and Drummond both. They reportedly engaged Orlando in trade talks for Jackson, but ultimately got nowhere. Several teams discussed trading for Drummond as well. Van Gundy, as both coach and President of Basketball Operations, is in a tricky spot. The coach in him wants to be as competitive as possible and get to the postseason. The front office side of Van Gundy has to balance that goal with the long term health of the franchise.
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With little chance at cap space, even if they lose all of their free agents, expect Detroit to match any offer on Caldwell-Pope. They can’t replace him and he’s young enough that continued improvement can still be expected. This will make the roster expensive, but that is something that Van Gundy can work on by moving contracts as the season progresses. That might even include moving on from Drummond or Jackson, or really anyone. Van Gundy is aggressive and will do what he has to in order to set the Pistons back on a course to consistent playoff berths.
I think Collins would be a perfect fit next to Gobert. You might be right though it all depends on what the team thinks about it. I might be in the minority with this idea but I would love to grab Collins to play next to Gobert.
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I just dont think Quin would ever do it and if he isnt going to do it, it doesnt make sense as a trade.
I totally forgot Detroit is still paying Josh Smith 5 million a year for the next 3 years.
When I look at their roster, their biggest issue is they are paying 22 million to 3 backup bigs (Leuer, Baynes, and Marjanovic). Maybe they get lucky and Baynes opts out? That should be a Jazz lesson, dont ask for the Jazz to pay money to anyone backing up Rudy.
I guess they are tighter to the cap than I expected. Their best players are on decent deals, but they have a lot of mid priced players who dont really make sense and are just slightly overpaid, but it adds up (plus the Josh Smith thing lol). Van Gundy just made some stupid deals, like giving Ish Smith 18 million for 3 years. I didnt realize he overpaid this many guys who are just backups. Luckily none of them are terrible, so I think he can get out of this relatively easily. Think he just has to move one player and he is good for next year (especially if Baynes opts out which is up in the air from what I've read).
They will be at 107 million after they renounce the rights to Bullock (seems likely). The LT will be at 122 from what I've read and Baynes contract is 6,500,000. So they get lucky and he opts out, they are at 101 million before having to pay KCP, who could get maxed. This is when that 5,000,000 they are paying Smith really hurts them lol.
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Hood could potentially get a max offer and Collins could be the starting PF on a rookie contract. It would help out the cap space down the road as well.
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Again, I highly doubt Quin sees Collins and thinks PF. That is a big distinction that completely changes his value to the Jazz. I'm on board with you thinking it's possible, but I dont know if I trade Hood for a positional experiment that the NBA is trending away from.