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The "If Hayward Leaves" Planning Thread

♪alt13 said:
So your not going to build a contender with a gobert and picks in the late teens in the next 4 years.

If you keep him you're looking at having a mediocre team at best and starting the rebuild in 4 years instead of now. Basketball is a team sport.
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You rebuild around Gobert. Let Hill go. Let Ingles go. Trade Burks. Trade Favors. Basically everything goes except Gobert, Exum, Hood, Lyles and your draft picks. Gobert is a 24 year old superstar. Why trade him to search for someone you hope can become as good as him? Pointless.
 
♪alt13 said:
No they did not. They did not sit a perfectly healthy under 25 best player. They extended the rehab of an injured plus 30 best player and only by a quarter of a season at most.

Also there was no profit sharing and for all the SAS small market talk it's still Texas.
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They absolutely did tank.
 
SCS said:
You rebuild around Gobert. Let Hill go. Let Ingles go. Trade Burks. Trade Favors. Basically everything goes except Gobert, Exum, Hood, Lyles and your draft picks. Gobert is a 24 year old superstar. Why trade him to search for someone you hope can become as good as him? Pointless.
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You are trading him for 5 top 5 picks in the years 2017,18, 19, and the 8 years that you will have those players under contract. The problem with our rebuild thus far is that we waited until our players were starting their sophomore contracts to get started. By doing so the Jazz have cut their window in half and reduced their draft potential by much more than that. I don't see how the Jazz could have a better year than they had this year in the next 4 without Hayward. I love watching Rudy play but 8th or 9th in the west is not where we want to be.
 
♪alt13 said:
Chicago LA and New York were all towards the top of the bracket in the playoffs. All three of those teams are s*** right now. If the Jazz were holding on to Rudy gobert while tanking to Rob those markets of a star that's not going to go over very well. Especially since those owners would be paying the Jazz to do it.
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Wtf on you on about? Utah doesn't have to send injury reports to any of those teams.

It's pretty simple. At some point in the season, Gobert turns an ankle, catches the flu, gets a hangnail, whatever. You sit him few days and then you announce he's out indefinitely, just to be on the safe side. And yeah, stuff like this happens in the NBA. Philly has made an art of it.

We basically just do the same thing, more or less with Gobert as we've done with Favors. He goes out and before you know it, he's out for a month and nobody is sure why. The league doesn't send detectives to your house to test your health.


Utah isn't likely to take that strategy from the beginning of the season, but if it looks like the team has a good chance of missing the playoffs, you can bet your *** Gobert is going to spend some time "getting healthy."
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Wtf on you on about? Utah doesn't have to send injury reports to any of those teams.

It's pretty simple. At some point in the season, Gobert turns an ankle, catches the flu, gets a hangnail, whatever. You sit him few days and then you announce he's out indefinitely, just to be on the safe side. And yeah, stuff like this happens in the NBA. Philly has made an art of it.

We basically just do the same thing, more or less with Gobert as we've done with Favors. He goes out and before you know it, he's out for a month and nobody is sure why. The league doesn't send detectives to your house to test your health.


Utah isn't likely to take that strategy from the beginning of the season, but if it looks like the team has a good chance of missing the playoffs, you can bet your *** Gobert is going to spend some time "getting healthy."
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We demand an answer!
 
I'm with Cy on this. You bottom out and sit Gobert as much as possible.

I don't think Hood is in the long term plans and I think you trade him for 12 even if you're going to keep Hayward.

Get as many picks and assets as you can for Hood, Favors, JJ and anyone else. Free up cap space for even more assets. I did like the Crabbe idea. I bet there will be another team that will be desperate to shed some salary.

You don't want to be a middling team, that's the worst thing in the NBA.

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Really we make up enough injuries to sit Gobert for a majority of the season? That just isn't happening guys.

You can shut a guy down with 20 or so games left but it's likely that only does so much.

I would hold on to Gobert at least through the all star break. He might be a franchise changing dude... just sets a tone for the franchise and our culture. See if we can figure things out. If it looks like we are a treadmill team we can move him. Time would be on our side. Unless there was a godfather offer I'd pass.
 
Even if San Antonio did tank that wouldn't work over a full season with the current media coverage. That was a long time ago... if it looked funny the Jazz would have Silver all over them in no time.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
It's pretty simple. At some point in the season, Gobert turns an ankle, catches the flu, gets a hangnail, whatever. You sit him few days and then you announce he's out indefinitely, just to be on the safe side.
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I think this would be a recipe for disaster...knowing how competitive Rudy is and how much he wants to play, this would infuriate him to the point where he'd probably want out of Utah.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Basically my plan is just burn it all down around Gobert/Exum/Lyles/Mitchell. Dont sign anyone worth a dime and be a contract eater for teams looking to unload. The specifics arent super important besides getting Mitchell and trying to trade up in the draft again to get an Anunoby/Kennard/Collins.
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Heck this is my Plan A :)
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Even if San Antonio did tank that wouldn't work over a full season with the current media coverage. That was a long time ago... if it looked funny the Jazz would have Silver all over them in no time.
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You mean like Philly? But yeah, I agree it doesn't happen for an entire season. Still, it happens every season where somebody gets hurt at some point, the team is out of playoff contention, and the guy ends up out indefinitely to be on the safe side. And if you look at the way Favors has missed, it ain't that hard to keep a guy out for long periods of time when nobody has a clue anything serious is wrong.
 
akirac73 said:
I think this would be a recipe for disaster...knowing how competitive Rudy is and how much he wants to play, this would infuriate him to the point where he'd probably want out of Utah.
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I actually don't think it would even be necessary. Utah could tank without sitting Rudy out easily enough if they wanted to.
 
Saw an article that basically said don't worry if Hayward leaves because we could sign Rudy Gay. I cried inside.
 
We should not tank. Plain and simple.

PG Exum, Neto, somebody else
SG Burks
SF Hood
PF Lyles, Bolomboy
C Gobert

That roster is terrible, but you also have to consider #24, #30, asset for Favors, asset for Diaw, asset for JoeJ, 2nd rounders, and other trade scenarios. And oh yeah, we could add a free agent or two. Throw in a Olynyk, Simmons, Ferrell, Bogdonovich, or somebody similar. We could even target Paul Millsap to put next to Gobert. Gobert is a rock in the middle.

It isn't all gloom and doom.
 
Saw an article that basically said don't worry if Hayward leaves because we could sign Rudy Gay. I cried inside.
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This is what the Jazz are becoming and Jazz fanz backing it up ......trade all the young assets is the battle cry for short term veteran rentals and f*#k up the future like the NETs with supposed other teams *stars* and their salaries instead of nurturing our own young talent.
It started last year to appease one player and want to retread older vets again to appease one player WHO looks to go to another team.
Growing your team from within to where they start winning attracts other good players ,not mortgaging your future for 2nd tier stars or players on the descent.
 
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