Would you take lillard if...

[karl malone]

You do almost whatever it takes to get Hayward, Lillard, and Gobert on the Jazz. You take ALL of the bad contracts in need be. You pay luxury tax out the nose in the short term. At that point you have those 3 under contract for 4 years. You sort the other stuff out over the course of the next two seasons and add pieces when you can, and see if you can make lemonade out of those bad contracts.

I agree with this. The only problem is that all of their bad contracts would be on the books for 3/4 yrs that we would have our big 3 locked up. We'd be relying on any remaining assets (likely few/none), any remaining draft picks (likely few/late 1st's, 2nd's), FA bargains/veterans looking for a ring (if even financially possible), & the other players acquired in the trade to round out the team.

Due to our lack of high-end assets, I would guess that the deal would have to be some along the lines of:

Hood/Exum/Favors/Lyles/24/30/future 1st(s) for Lillard + 2 of their bad contracts (Hill/Ingles/Diaw are gone, JJ/Burks may have to be moved to make it work financially).

I doubt we would come anywhere near the best offer (especially if there's an inner-divisional tax) if he were to actually be made available, but you do it without hesitation if it were possible.

 

[karl malone]

Really? Cousins was traded for Buddy Hield and spare parts. Favors plus Exum plus anything plus we help their cap situation beats that by a mile. And the Blazers already have a perfect Lillard replacement: McCollum.

Cousins wasn't locked up for 4 yrs tho & had/has more concerns/risk surrounding him than Lillard. Also, SAC inexplicably values Hield much higher than most/all so obviously they view the return more favorably. Unless POR inexplicably over-values one of our assets, the Cousins trade isn't really comparable.

 

[framer]

I agree with this. The only problem is that all of their bad contracts would be on the books for 3/4 yrs that we would have our big 3 locked up. We'd be relying on any remaining assets (likely few/none), any remaining draft picks (likely few/late 1st's, 2nd's), FA bargains/veterans looking for a ring (if even financially possible), & the other players acquired in the trade to round out the team.

Due to our lack of high-end assets, I would guess that the deal would have to be some along the lines of:

Hood/Exum/Favors/Lyles/24/30/future 1st(s) for Lillard + 2 of their bad contracts (Hill/Ingles/Diaw are gone, JJ/Burks may have to be moved to make it work financially).

I doubt we would come anywhere near the best offer (especially if there's an inner-divisional tax) if he were to actually be made available, but you do it without hesitation if it were possible.

Actually, I don't know if they WOULD get a better offer than that. I mean they COULD get a high draft pick this year from a bottom feeder this year, but none of those teams would be adding Lillard as a finishing piece. and won't mortgage the farm for one all star, especially if they are rebuilding during the Lebron, GSW era. Lillard is good, really good, but he is a secondary all-star, right about on Haywards level. Are the Lakers going to give up a ton of assets for him? They like their chances of snagging players in free agency. Washington and OKC? Already have top flight point guards. Boston? Has assets, but isn't going to sacrifice flexibility by taking on huge contracts, plus they already have IT. Anyone else with young talent going to give that up to add Lillard to show their stuff against the GSW? Possibly, but perhaps not.

Of course it could be the best offer and they would tell us to pound sand because we are in their division.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Did you hear Locke yesterday say that he knows the ownership has given Dennis Lindsey a green light to go into the luxury tax to get Lillard. He quickly followed up by saying there is no-way portland is letting go of Lillard, but if it ever became a possibility Lindsey could do it.

Locke and and Spence Checketts spent a few moments trying to come up with a trade scenario, and quickly gave up. Jazz don't have enough right now.

Locke was saying that DL has to be on the phone today(after Lillard made his comment about Utah) and was asking Checketts about possibly trading for him as if he thought it was a possibility. Checketts straightened him out, but Locke was pretty excited about it for a minute there.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Really? Cousins was traded for Buddy Hield and spare parts. Favors plus Exum plus anything plus we help their cap situation beats that by a mile. And the Blazers already have a perfect Lillard replacement: McCollum.

Yep, really.

Lillard is signed for multiple years and doesn't have the issues Cousins does. Bad comparison.

 

[green]

Hayward is a level 2 all star. Most are. Curry, LeBron, Durant are level 1 all stars. Lillard is a level 1.5, and on a team with Hayward and Gobert? He'd look even better.

 

[karl malone]

Actually, I don't know if they WOULD get a better offer than that. I mean they COULD get a high draft pick this year from a bottom feeder this year, but none of those teams would be adding Lillard as a finishing piece. and won't mortgage the farm for one all star, especially if they are rebuilding during the Lebron, GSW era. Lillard is good, really good, but he is a secondary all-star, right about on Haywards level. Are the Lakers going to give up a ton of assets for him? They like their chances of snagging players in free agency. Washington and OKC? Already have top flight point guards. Boston? Has assets, but isn't going to sacrifice flexibility by taking on huge contracts, plus they already have IT. Anyone else with young talent going to give that up to add Lillard to show their stuff against the GSW? Possibly, but perhaps not.

Of course it could be the best offer and they would tell us to pound sand because we are in their division.

PHI could likely outbid us without even touching Embiid/Simmons. Some combination #3/LAL 2018/Saric/Okafor/Covington/other future picks would be more valuable to a rebuilding team than anything we can offer (without including GH/RG).

I believe PHI would also have the ability to absorb salary as well, which is something I don't see POR valuing much (unless it's necessary in order for them to lock up CJ long-term) as they would be focused on accumulating high-end talent on their rookie deals rather than creating/maintaining financial flexibility.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Hayward is a level 2 all star. Most are. Curry, LeBron, Durant are level 1 all stars. Lillard is a level 1.5, and on a team with Hayward and Gobert? He'd look even better.

Hayward 2 and Lillard 1.5????

Compare their offensive vs. defensive numbers.

Please and thank you.

 

[fishonjazz]

Hayward 2 and Lillard 1.5????

Compare their offensive vs. defensive numbers.

Please and thank you.

Gonna sound weird but I agree with you and I agree with [MENTION=228]green[/MENTION]

 

[green]

There's not a soul on earth who wouldn't take Lillard over Hayward. Lillard is an amazing player who just dragged two ****-ty teams to the playoffs, something Hayward needs Gobert and Hill to do.

 

[Joncolton]

There's not a soul on earth who wouldn't take Lillard over Hayward. Lillard is an amazing player who just dragged two ****-ty teams to the playoffs, something Hayward needs Gobert and Hill to do.

Yup. Lillard is one of the worst defensive players in the league, but so are James Harden and Russell Westbrook. Single-handily lifting a bad team into the playoffs is something Hayward has never done. Offensively Lillard is just extra special.

Watch him just rip apart one of the best defenses in the league here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TwSQs8BNmE

 

[kabenac]

It's such a shame Lillard is locked up until 2021.

 

[Ron Mexico]

There's not a soul on earth who wouldn't take Lillard over Hayward. Lillard is an amazing player who just dragged two ****-ty teams to the playoffs, something Hayward needs Gobert and Hill to do.

Hayward carried our team to a much better place than Lillard did. He also helped us win a playoff series against a really good team without much help from Gobert. I think Haywards performance against GS was better than Lillards performance against GS this year.

Lillard also had plenty of help. He had CJ Mccollum who scored 23 points per game, which is way more offensive help than Hayward has ever had.

Hayward and Lillard are the same tier of player when you compare their overall games. Lillard may have a slight edge but I think that is very debatable especially considering he is one of the worst defenders in the NBA for a starting PG. Lillard is a better flat out scorer than Hayward but I think Hayward is better at every other aspect of basketball.


I would love both of them to be on our team. Lillard replacing Hill would make our team very good.

 

[fishonjazz]

Yup. Lillard is one of the worst defensive players in the league, but so are James Harden and Russell Westbrook. Single-handily lifting a bad team into the playoffs is something Hayward has never done. Offensively Lillard is just extra special.

Watch him just rip apart one of the best defenses in the league here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TwSQs8BNmE

I just watched that video.
X, mack, ingles, neto, hayward and burks all guarded lillard in the video.
Burks only for one play and played pretty good defense but lillard made a really tough shot. Same with ingles. Hayward kinda got beat but played good enough defense (plus his size) to not give lillard a good shot attempt and lillard dished for an assist.
Lillard needed screens against neto and X. (Neto played the best defense on him)
Against mack lillard got what ever he wanted with or without a screen. Blew by him super easily multiple times with mack playing the worst defense possible.

 

[LoPo]

Hayward carried our team to a much better place than Lillard did. He also helped us win a playoff series against a really good team without much help from Gobert. I think Haywards performance against GS was better than Lillards performance against GS this year.

Lillard also had plenty of help. He had CJ Mccollum who scored 23 points per game, which is way more offensive help than Hayward has ever had.

Hayward and Lillard are the same tier of player when you compare their overall games. Lillard may have a slight edge but I think that is very debatable especially considering he is one of the worst defenders in the NBA for a starting PG. Lillard is a better flat out scorer than Hayward but I think Hayward is better at every other aspect of basketball.


I would love both of them to be on our team. Lillard replacing Hill would make our team very good.

Hayward had 6 years before this one to "carry us to the playoffs" and it never happened. This last year, we made it but c'mon - Gobert became a force, Hill was awesome when he played, Diaw contributed and Johnson exceeded expectations.

Hayward carried us..... He was out best player, but Good Lord the homerism sometimes...

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[Ron Mexico]

Hayward had 6 years before this one to "carry us to the playoffs" and it never happened. This last year, we made it but c'mon - Gobert became a force, Hill was awesome when he played, Diaw contributed and Johnson exceeded expectations.

Hayward carried us..... He was out best player, but Good Lord the homerism sometimes...

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We had the most injured team in the NBA and made it as far as we did riding Hayward and Gobert hard. Hayward has improved and clearly showed that this year and even stepped up more in the playoffs so previous seasons are not relevant to who he is right now. Hayward was fantastic in the playoffs and was by far our best player in the playoffs this year when Gobert was out and then came back gimpy.

Also of course we had other players help and contribute to us winning. Lillard also had a lot of help from players, every team has multiple players contribute to winning.

 

[green]

I just watched that video.
X, mack, ingles, neto, hayward and burks all guarded lillard in the video.
Burks only for one play and played pretty good defense but lillard made a really tough shot. Same with ingles. Hayward kinda got beat but played good enough defense (plus his size) to not give lillard a good shot attempt and lillard dished for an assist.
Lillard needed screens against neto and X. (Neto played the best defense on him)
Against mack lillard got what ever he wanted with or without a screen. Blew by him super easily multiple times with mack playing the worst defense possible.

Lillard also made Gobert look silly multiple times in that video.

 

[green]

We had the most injured team in the NBA and made it as far as we did riding Hayward and Gobert hard. Hayward has improved and clearly showed that this year and even stepped up more in the playoffs so previous seasons are not relevant to who he is right now. Hayward was fantastic in the playoffs and was by far our best player in the playoffs this year when Gobert was out and then came back gimpy.

Also of course we had other players help and contribute to us winning. Lillard also had a lot of help from players, every team has multiple players contribute to winning.

Let's say that Gobert's impact is equivalent to CJ's.

Who is PDX's Hill? Favors? Johnson? Mason Plumlee is arguably their third best player. Harkless?

 

[fishonjazz]

Let's say that Gobert's impact is equivalent to CJ's.

Who is PDX's Hill? Favors? Johnson? Mason Plumlee is arguably their third best player. Harkless?

Favors from last year? Lol

 

[fishonjazz]

Let's say that Gobert's impact is equivalent to CJ's.

Who is PDX's Hill? Favors? Johnson? Mason Plumlee is arguably their third best player. Harkless?

I agree he didn't have as good a supporting cast as Hayward. And Portland didn't do as well as the jazz. So what's the point?