Following potential 2017 draftees...

[Handlogten's Heros]

Leaf vs Lydon

Lydon is the better shooter, over 80% ft compared to 68% for leaf

Lydon attempted some monster dunks he came up just short on Leaf would have finished. But I give shooting to Lydon.

Is Lydon the the next Kanter? No, much better D

I don't think Lydon falls to 30.

I wonder how much better Lydon would look next to Ball? I think Lydon is a bit underated at the moment.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Bell is one dimensional too... just his dimension is defense.

Lydon is long... gets deflections and blocks. If he gets quicker laterally and stronger he may be great on that end.

I like Bell, but let's not pretend he is flawless... he isn't particularly long. He doesn't box out well, so he's an undiscliplined rebounder. If better Booker is his ceiling then Lydon may have more upside. If Lydon is a similar player to Ryan Anderson that is much more valuable than a Booker type player.

IMO I don't think he translates physically in the NBA to do anything more then shoot 3's. I could be wrong, but that's my opinion. I don't see him as a rebounder or defender at the NBA level, and think he will struggle to finish at the rim or play with his back to the basket.

Bell IMO fits great next to Gobert. Can guard in the post thanks to his natural athletic ability and competitive fire he has a lot of that dog in him, he's relentless. He was one of the best shot blockers in college basketball, can guard small ball 4's on the perimeter, and allows the jazz to go super wall at the 5 like Dreymond does. I believe he will at least improve his 3pt shot to Dreymond level. Already a decent midrange game and has a face up game and improving postup game, and sees the floor well setting up teammates. Just because he's not a gifted offensive player doesn't mean he's one dimensional in any way.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Bell is one dimensional too... just his dimension is defense.

Lydon is long... gets deflections and blocks. If he gets quicker laterally and stronger he may be great on that end.

I like Bell, but let's not pretend he is flawless... he isn't particularly long. He doesn't box out well, so he's an undiscliplined rebounder. If better Booker is his ceiling then Lydon may have more upside. If Lydon is a similar player to Ryan Anderson that is much more valuable than a Booker type player.

I wonder how much better Lydon would look next to Ball? I think Lydon is a bit underated at the moment.

Bell does everything Lydon does but threes

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I wonder how much better Lydon would look next to Ball? I think Lydon is a bit underated at the moment.

What Bell did in college translates to the NBA more then what Lydon did in college due to their physical traits. Lydon's physical traits will limit what he does in the NBA IMO.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Bell does everything Lydon does but threes

That one thing may trump what bell does.

I like both would be happy with either was more responding to the I don't get the love for this guy comment.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What Bell did in college translates to the NBA more then what Lydon did in college due to their physical traits. Lydon's physical traits will limit what he does in the NBA IMO.

Lydon is younger. He was in awful shape... still did some athletic things. He had a 7' wingspan and gets his hands on the ball a lot on defense. Maybe he becomes the PF version of Joe Ingles... makes threes plays smart defense and makes good passes. I don't think he's Steve Novak and at 24 or 30 he's well worth the gamble. There are some low hanging fruit improvements he can make just by working with our development staff.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Lydon is younger. He was in awful shape... still did some athletic things. He had a 7' wingspan and gets his hands on the ball a lot on defense. Maybe he becomes the PF version of Joe Ingles... makes threes plays smart defense and makes good passes. I don't think he's Steve Novak and at 24 or 30 he's well worth the gamble. There are some low hanging fruit improvements he can make just by working with our development staff.

The key is he did athletic things in college. I just don't think he's strong enough for the pro game

 

[The Thriller]

There are some terrible posts in here. Where does this idea come from that bell doesn't box out? From his one mistake in the tournament? Cmon guys.

As far as potential goes, he's clearly the superior talent to Lydon. At the very worst, Bell is a young millsap. I've seen several of Bell's games and I couldn't help but remember a young San Diego state player. Remember now, one of his knocks was his shot. But he was very athletic and had a high motor. Could you imagine how good we'd be if we had drafted him?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

There are some terrible posts in here. Where does this idea come from that bell doesn't box out? From his one mistake in the tournament? Cmon guys.

As far as potential goes, he's clearly the superior talent to Lydon. At the very worst, Bell is a young millsap. I've seen several of Bell's games and I couldn't help but remember a young San Diego state player. Remember now, one of his knocks was his shot. But he was very athletic and had a high motor. Could you imagine how good we'd be if we had drafted him?

It is part of the knock on him. His one mistake stood out... and he did it twice in a row, but he relies on his athleticism and isn't as diligent at boxing out.

I like the guy. He is limited offensively... was just making the case for Lydon.

 

[The Thriller]

It is part of the knock on him. His one mistake stood out... and he did it twice in a row, but he relies on his athleticism and isn't as diligent at boxing out.

I like the guy. He is limited offensively... was just making the case for Lydon.

13 pts, 16 rebounds, 4 blks, and 1 steal against the best team in college basketball. But sure, uh huh, let's focus on a mistake he had at the very end of the game. This reminds me of when people used to berate lebron or Kobe for their last second failures. Yep. Uh huh. Lebron sucks. Let's ignore that without him his team would've been blown out. Let's focus on the one play he failed to make and forget about the 40+ pts and 10+ assists.

Considering Bell's backcourt was 5-22 shooting, do we really think Bell's missed rebound was really the difference when his team was already losing? And so what if he had secured the board? Seeing his guards awful shooting, they probably would've just air balled a desperation shot at the buzzer anyway.

its interesting that everyone focuses on bell's missed rebound in this game and never his outstanding play for the other 39.5 mins of the game or his backcourt failing miserably. 38 percent shooting and 27 percent from 3 against Carolina. I'd say it was Bell's play that kept the game close.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

13 pts, 16 rebounds, 4 blks, and 1 steal against the best team in college basketball. But sure, uh huh, let's focus on a mistake he had at the very end of the game. This reminds me of when people used to berate lebron or Kobe for their last second failures. Yep. Uh huh. Lebron sucks. Let's ignore that without him his team would've been blown out. Let's focus on the one play he failed to make and forget about the 40+ pts and 10+ assists.

Considering Bell's backcourt was 5-22 shooting, do we really think Bell's missed rebound was really the difference when his team was already losing? And so what if he had secured the board? Seeing his guards awful shooting, they probably would've just air balled a desperation shot at the buzzer anyway.

its interesting that everyone focuses on bell's missed rebound in this game and never his outstanding play for the other 39.5 mins of the game or his backcourt failing miserably. 38 percent shooting and 27 percent from 3 against Carolina. I'd say it was Bell's play that kept the game close.

Bro... it's in his DX profile... he doesn't box out well enough. He can improve. He's not the reason they lost, but when I saw that happen I looked into it further and its a thing.

I like the guy... I think he could be good, but he's as one dimensional as Lydon which was what the discussion was about. I think non-shooting energy bigs abound in this draft. I'd take Bell, but I think I can fill a similar role potentially with Bam or Ike. I am not sure Bell is a good fit next to Gobert... he's not a shooter. I think he's an energy big off the bench... at 24 and 30 I'd take that.

I think Lydon has a little higher ceiling... anyone projecting Bell as a shooter is guessing... he did very little of it at Oregon and wasn't good when he did... not every energy player will develop like Millsap... some of them will just stay as Montrez Harrells and Trevor Bookers. Fine players, but bench guys.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

13 pts, 16 rebounds, 4 blks, and 1 steal against the best team in college basketball. But sure, uh huh, let's focus on a mistake he had at the very end of the game. This reminds me of when people used to berate lebron or Kobe for their last second failures. Yep. Uh huh. Lebron sucks. Let's ignore that without him his team would've been blown out. Let's focus on the one play he failed to make and forget about the 40+ pts and 10+ assists.

Considering Bell's backcourt was 5-22 shooting, do we really think Bell's missed rebound was really the difference when his team was already losing? And so what if he had secured the board? Seeing his guards awful shooting, they probably would've just air balled a desperation shot at the buzzer anyway.

its interesting that everyone focuses on bell's missed rebound in this game and never his outstanding play for the other 39.5 mins of the game or his back court failing miserably. 38 percent shooting and 27 percent from 3 against Carolina. I'd say it was Bell's play that kept the game close.

When I came into this draft season it took me a bit to get those 2 missed rebounds out of my head from bell. I was rooting for Oregon. It wasn't until I went back and re-watched that I saw bell was tired. He had given his all. I want bell so bad

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

When I came into this draft season it took me a bit to get those 2 missed rebounds out of my head from bell. I was rooting for Oregon. It wasn't until I went back and re-watched that I saw bell was tired. He had given his all. I want bell so bad

It sucked... he's super exciting... I think he can be a better version of Booker... not sure he's ever going to have anything near Millsap's offensive game.

At #30... I'm in. I think he'd fit well with Lyles off the bench.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

It sucked... he's super exciting... I think he can be a better version of Booker... not sure he's ever going to have anything near Millsap's offensive game.

At #30... I'm in. I think he'd fit well with Lyles off the bench.

I hope lyles is gone

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

13 pts, 16 rebounds, 4 blks, and 1 steal against the best team in college basketball. But sure, uh huh, let's focus on a mistake he had at the very end of the game. This reminds me of when people used to berate lebron or Kobe for their last second failures. Yep. Uh huh. Lebron sucks. Let's ignore that without him his team would've been blown out. Let's focus on the one play he failed to make and forget about the 40+ pts and 10+ assists.

Considering Bell's backcourt was 5-22 shooting, do we really think Bell's missed rebound was really the difference when his team was already losing? And so what if he had secured the board? Seeing his guards awful shooting, they probably would've just air balled a desperation shot at the buzzer anyway.

its interesting that everyone focuses on bell's missed rebound in this game and never his outstanding play for the other 39.5 mins of the game or his backcourt failing miserably. 38 percent shooting and 27 percent from 3 against Carolina. I'd say it was Bell's play that kept the game close.

The truth hurts. Bell is just an average rebounder.

 

[The Thriller]

The truth hurts. Bell is just an average rebounder.

And arguably the best defender in the entire draft.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And arguably the best defender in the entire draft.

Ok, so dont get bent out of shape when someone calls him out for his rebounding ability.

 

[The Thriller]

Ok, so dont get bent out of shape when someone calls him out for his rebounding ability.

Nonsense. That's not what people were arguing. They were acting like the last 30 seconds of the UNC game determined that he couldn't rebound.

Would you pass on a Draymond Green because he was an avg rebounder? Would you pass on green if he missed one rebound in the last 30 seconds of his last NCAA game?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Nonsense. That's not what people were arguing. They were acting like the last 30 seconds of the UNC game determined that he couldn't rebound.

Would you pass on a Draymond Green because he was an avg rebounder? Would you pass on green if he missed one rebound in the last 30 seconds of his last NCAA game?

It isn't what I said at all... you inferred that I only watched 30 seconds and said he sucks at boxing out... I saw it and looked at what people were saying and they said he struggles with that.

I like Bell. He will be a good defender, but saying hes Draymond or Millsap is quite a reach. He will be able to switch out and offer weakside help. He may be a spacing killer though. He's a good passer but Green is an elite playmaker... Bell is not Draymond... no one is.

He is not a far superior prospect to Lydon... they are similarly ranked... both have their flaws... that was the only argument I was making.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Literally the words I said is he doesn't box out well and is an undisciplined rebounder... never brought up the plays you are referring to... you brought those up.