Trading Favors and Burks?

[Getting Traded]

I, for one, would suggest some patience in regards to the situation with Favors and Burks. Most posters seem impatient to trade them, but to me this is being very hasty. The trade value of both is at an all-time low, and their future is still uncertain. It is quite possible both recover fully from their injuries and go on to the type of careers their potential had suggested.

Let's give them a year and see what happens. If they don't pan out, then trade them. And even if they do have good years, their trade value will have skyrocketed.

 

[infection]

1. I only move Favors for Love.

2. If Burks isn't moved then it means we go into the LT if we retain Hayward, Hill and Ingles, and we can't pick up much more salary (i.e. Beverly or adding veteran shooter or big man).

 

[Mongoose]

I think it would be difficult to trade either of them right now. It seems like either one would need to be a straight salary dump. I would not expect the jazz to get much of anything in return honestly. The problem is that Burks salary could be better used to pay Ingles or for someone like Milos.

 

[gomretat]

The single biggest challenge for the Jazz this offseason is that Hood, Favors, and Burks have little trade value because of being hurt. If they had played well last year, the Jazz would have been a viable candidate in the Jimmy Butler sweepstakes, and possibly others, by combining one or two of them with their 2017 draft picks. That may end up being the biggest downside of their injuries.

 

[infection]

I think it would be difficult to trade either of them right now. It seems like either one would need to be a straight salary dump. I would not expect the jazz to get much of anything in return honestly. The problem is that Burks salary could be better used to pay Ingles or for someone like Milos.

I'd move Burks in a salary dump. Favors won't fetch us a better return than his value to us next season would be. However, I do believe he could legitimately be traded for Love in a three way with Indiana or New York, accompanied by a couple other pieces.

 

[Maneesh]

I dont think NBA is as stupid as you think. They know Favors is very good man and he can have more trade than salry dump. DUH!

 

[Stoked]

1. I only move Favors for Love.

2. If Burks isn't moved then it means we go into the LT if we retain Hayward, Hill and Ingles, and we can't pick up much more salary (i.e. Beverly or adding veteran shooter or big man).

#2 is only conditionally true. Jazz own the Bird rights to Hill. That means they can go into LT for him. So what you do if you know that's the plan is have other players in place before you sign Hill. That way you have added salary, improved the team and brought players back. The Jazz can go as far into the tax as they are comfortable with that way. Thankfully Beverly is only 5.5 per year...

 

[infection]

#2 is only conditionally true. Jazz own the Bird rights to Hill. That means they can go into LT for him. So what you do if you know that's the plan is have other players in place before you sign Hill. That way you have added salary, improved the team and brought players back. The Jazz can go as far into the tax as they are comfortable with that way. Thankfully Beverly is only 5.5 per year...

I think you're missing what I'm saying: I believe the Jazz pay LT when warranted. Paying LT to retain both Ingles and Hill? Very questionable and I believe they'd make Burks the odd man out. I believe them saying they'll "rehab his value" is a euphemism for saying they can't find a taker for a salary dump.

Keeping Hill, Hayward, Ingles and Burks puts us at the LT and they're not going to use much more salary above the LT so we wouldn't even be signing mid-level talent, we'd be finding D-league scrubs.

 

[Elizah Huge]

The single biggest challenge for the Jazz this offseason is that Hood, Favors, and Burks have little trade value because of being hurt. If they had played well last year, the Jazz would have been a viable candidate in the Jimmy Butler sweepstakes, and possibly others, by combining one or two of them with their 2017 draft picks. That may end up being the biggest downside of their injuries.

I completely disagree. We just traded 24 and Lyles for 13. All it takes is for one team to really like or believe in them.


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[Chargers Jazz Angels]

Favors I think has more value then we are giving him credit for. Granted he was injured but in a trade the other team is going to give a medical physical and they will know if he is healthy. A healthy Favors has a lot of value. Now I agree that the only way I trade favors is if it bring is another power forward one better suited to play next to Gobert and that is love. I think the Jazz could easily position themselves to take Love in a 3 way trade.

Burks has value to but not in the Jazz system. I think is a more open system like the warriors Burks could see a lot more of his value. With that said the main reason you move Burks is to clear salary but I think you might be able to get a future second rounder for him to the right team. I think the Jazz hand on to him at least until the trade deadline.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Favors I think has more value then we are giving him credit for. Granted he was injured but in a trade the other team is going to give a medical physical and they will know if he is healthy. A healthy Favors has a lot of value. Now I agree that the only way I trade favors is if it bring is another power forward one better suited to play next to Gobert and that is love. I think the Jazz could easily position themselves to take Love in a 3 way trade.

Burks has value to but not in the Jazz system. I think is a more open system like the warriors Burks could see a lot more of his value. With that said the main reason you move Burks is to clear salary but I think you might be able to get a future second rounder for him to the right team. I think the Jazz hand on to him at least until the trade deadline.

Yeah, if they trade Favor's they better bring back a PF in that trade or be confident they can get a PF they want in free agency.

 

[Stoked]

I think you're missing what I'm saying: I believe the Jazz pay LT when warranted. Paying LT to retain both Ingles and Hill? Very questionable and I believe they'd make Burks the odd man out. I believe them saying they'll "rehab his value" is a euphemism for saying they can't find a taker for a salary dump.

Keeping Hill, Hayward, Ingles and Burks puts us at the LT and they're not going to use much more salary above the LT so we wouldn't even be signing mid-level talent, we'd be finding D-league scrubs.

Oh ok.

Well all signs point to DL being given the green light to pay the tax if it makes Utah a winner. But they could very well trade Burks by the deadline. The Jazz can also not pick up Diaw's option.

I think they trade for a PG before 7/1

Tony Jones listed 5:

Rubio
Corey Jospeh
Beverly
Teodosic
and I cannot remember the 5th lol

But the plan might be to move Burks at the deadline and avoid tax all together.

 

[infection]

Oh ok.

Well all signs point to DL being given the green light to pay the tax if it makes Utah a winner. But they could very well trade Burks by the deadline. The Jazz can also not pick up Diaw's option.

I think they trade for a PG before 7/1

Tony Jones listed 5:

Rubio
Corey Jospeh
Beverly
Teodosic
and I cannot remember the 5th lol

But the plan might be to move Burks at the deadline and avoid tax all together.

Assuming we waive Diaw, we're sitting at $99M with a re-signed Hayward. The LT is, what, $119M? That leaves us with ~$20M before we hit LT to be able to sign Hill, Ingles and any other FAs. Yes, I believe we pay LT to win, but I think that pertains to bringing in real talent that will help us win, not by retaining Hill and Ingles and being able to sign some low-to-mid-level guys. If Hill doesn't come back then it resolves this, but I think they would want Hill and Ingles and are unable to find a place to offload Burks.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I dont think NBA is as stupid as you think. They know Favors is very good man and he can have more trade than salry dump. DUH!

He has 1 year left and has mysterious injury problems.

 

[homeytennis]

Burks was having a good year until Paul Pierce cheap shotted him a couple of years ago.

 

[Mongoose]

Favors I think has more value then we are giving him credit for. Granted he was injured but in a trade the other team is going to give a medical physical and they will know if he is healthy. A healthy Favors has a lot of value. Now I agree that the only way I trade favors is if it bring is another power forward one better suited to play next to Gobert and that is love. I think the Jazz could easily position themselves to take Love in a 3 way trade.

Burks has value to but not in the Jazz system. I think is a more open system like the warriors Burks could see a lot more of his value. With that said the main reason you move Burks is to clear salary but I think you might be able to get a future second rounder for him to the right team. I think the Jazz hand on to him at least until the trade deadline.

This is why I think it is a challenge. I'm not sure the Jazz would be trading Favors if he was healthy (or if they believed he was healthy). He may not be injured, but his health and abilities could very well be declining... Who knows. This is the fear that I have- I can't imagine NBA teams wouldn't be fearing the same thing.

If he is indeed traded this summer I believe it would be because of health concerns which means his value is limited and therefore it would need to be a salary dump.
If the Jazz believe he will completely or nearly completely recover I do not think he will be traded. At least until he has a chance to recover some value.

 

[Boris]

Favors, Burks, Exum, Donovan, Lydol, NGW, kanter, Oladipo, Adams, McD, Sabonis an em.

Westbrook
Hayward, Hood
Ingles, Hayward, JJ
JJ, Diaw, Bolomboy
Gobert, Whithey, offseason pickup

No draft picks for Jazz for like ten years.

#Warriorskillers #CrownGobert

 

[Ron Mexico]

This is why I think it is a challenge. I'm not sure the Jazz would be trading Favors if he was healthy (or if they believed he was healthy). He may not be injured, but his health and abilities could very well be declining... Who knows. This is the fear that I have- I can't imagine NBA teams wouldn't be fearing the same thing.

If he is indeed traded this summer I believe it would be because of health concerns which means his value is limited and therefore it would need to be a salary dump.
If the Jazz believe he will completely or nearly completely recover I do not think he will be traded. At least until he has a chance to recover some value.

I think Jazz would still be looking to trade Favors even if he was healthy(which he could be right now or will be when the season starts). I like Favors a lot when healthy but it is pretty hard to have a C and PF earning max money. A healthy Favors is probably max or close to max. We cant afford him going forward unless we go way into luxury tax land and I dont see that happening. Plus Favors is an unrestricted FA and can leave for nothing.

I think the only way we keep him is if he signs an extension that is a good deal for both sides like he did last time. I thought that would happen last season but it did not. I am not sure why, was it Jazz concerned about Favors health? Favors wanting a bigger role? The two parties just too far apart on the $ amount? Either way that marked an issue for keeping him. Maybe the Jazz prioritized signing Hill to an extension that never happened. That fact could have upset Favors.

 

[SCS]

Favors is a free agent next offseason. We can't wait a year and then trade him because we won't be re-signing him. I think that the idea that his stock around the league is at an all time low is a joke. He's 25 years old and averaged 16 ppg and 8 rpg in both of the two seasons prior to last year. Unless his injuries are career threatening then other teams are very interested, believe me. I think now is the time to move him if the Jazz want the best value for him. At the deadline they'll be lowballed because other teams know he'll be hitting free agency.

With Alec Burks you may be right. Waiting may be the best option. It really just depends on if we need that 10 million cleared now to make another move.

 

[jazzlurker]

I am sooooo tired of hearing about Kevin Love trades. Love was meaningless in the playoffs. Favors was instrumental to the Jazz beating the Clippers despite his injuries. Kevin Love is not a winner. Yes he has a ring, but so does Javal McGee. I'd rather have Booker back than have that bum.