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Jazz taking Jimmer #6 "most logical pick in NBA Draft History"

I didn't exactly say that, but I do think Jimmer plays more like Stephon Marbury than he does Steve Nash or John Stockton.

I think he plays like Jimmer. (Not trying to be a smart ***.) It's obvious you hate the kid, honestly, only time will tell how well he will play at the next level. One thing I know is that the NBA is always looking for deadly shooters. If he's not a deadly shooter, then I don't know who is.
 
I'd guess Jimmer's no step vert is about 26-27 inches. That's just a guess though based on measurement's history on draftexpress. Who knows though...some dudes like Archie's seemingly explosive (based on highlights) Willie Warren came in at just 23 while others who hardly attack the rim like Mike Conley Jr. come in at 35.5. Hell, Koby Karl, Chris Paul and Josh Smith both came in relatively equal at 32.0, 32.0 and 32.5 respectively.

So what's it really mean? These measurements all occur in the vacuum of a very controlled environment which incorporates athletic endeavors that never actually occur in an NBA game. Do guys jump high and block shots? Sure. But they don't stand there, set their feet perfectly, jump as explosively as possible and then reach as high as possible like say the No Step Vert Reach. Blocking shots incorporates so much more like positioning, timing, and an ability to block said shot without fouling just to name a few things. The same can be said for all measurement tests performed in Orlando. They aren't an indication of how these players use their athletic abilities, or lack thereof, in game play which is all that matters.

For me, based on the little I watched Jimmer (two tourney games), I thought he may be explosive enough to offensively play the 1 in the league. He has a solid first step that can perhaps be improved ever so slightly and once he gets next to or by his defender has such a great basketball iq that he can, at least oftentimes in college, make a sharp pass or create space with crafty body positioning for a shot or lay-up. Beyond his obvious shooting range, this is where he excels in what I saw. In many ways, that's not unlike Gordon Hayward. Both have average athleticism but have great in-game iq's and are crafty which helps them make up for said white boy syndrome. Knowing that, I would not be opposed to taking Jimmer at #12. Why I would never take him at #6 nor trade up a spot or two for him though is because of his bball iq and historical mediocrity on the defensive side of the court as well as his ego, for lack of a better term. Hayward was at least coached on a team that stressed defense above pretty much everything else. It's a large part of the reason Butler went to the title game again. He played strong defense there and was taught how to play said defense very intelligently. Not only was Jimmer not expected to play even close to the same defense as Hayward was (and even if he was expected to, he sucked at it) but he (I would bet) was not coached nearly as well on the art of doing so as Hayward was at Butler. Additionally, I wonder how Jimmer would adapt to the NBA environment, the obvious struggles that that will bring him, and the fact that he's no longer not only not the man, but not even close to the man, coming off the bench as likely our 10th guy, give or take, at least early on in the season, if not all season. Sports demand a tough psychological make-up and I/we have no idea if he'll mentally be able to deal with the rigors of what he'll face in the NBA.

Orlando should tell us a little bit more about his defensive make-up and ability to run the point. I'm very interested to see how things go there.

Solid.
 
Is there even one Jimmer proponent who isn't a BYU fan??

Me. I really like the kid. I recognize his flaws but think if the kid is truly coachable and gives a damn, those can be very much improved, at least to a degree. You can't teach bball iq or hell, even shooting that's that good.
 
In many ways I like him more than Leonard who outside of his rebounding, which I don't see really translating that much at the next level (he'll be a 4.5 rebound a game guy imo), I don't find the kid impressive. He's like AK but is lesser the defensive player and not nearly the passer. He has no shot (seriously, did we learn anything with AK) coming in at 44.4% and 29.2%, isn't exactly renowned for his passing ability (1.2 assists) and has virtually no ability to create his own shot. Is that what we want from a 3 again? Seriously, if we're drafting a 3, I want someone who can beat someone off the dribble and has shown signs of being able to shoot.
 
I like the kid, I really do. I would be willing to give him a shot... if it was like the 20th pick. I feel at 12 there are just going to be better players available who will have a more significant and noticeable impact on a team. Rebuilding, we need people we can give us 25 significant minutes at worst. I feel Jimmer will probably average 20 min a game for his career at best. There are just better "NBA-type" players out there and we need to find and draft them.
 
I like the kid, I really do. I would be willing to give him a shot... if it was like the 20th pick. I feel at 12 there are just going to be better players available who will have a more significant and noticeable impact on a team. Rebuilding, we need people we can give us 25 significant minutes at worst. I feel Jimmer will probably average 20 min a game for his career at best. There are just better "NBA-type" players out there and we need to find and draft them.

Like who at 12?
 
So, again the question is, who do you draft at 12 that's going to be a starter for the Jazz? Holy cow people, you act like the draft is the easiest ****ing thing in the universe. Hooray for intelligence!!!!
 
So, again the question is, who do you draft at 12 that's going to be a starter for the Jazz? Holy cow people, you act like the draft is the easiest ****ing thing in the universe. Hooray for intelligence!!!!

Smart guy, they don't pay us the big bucks to scout for the Jazz. But there are people who they do pay. Are you willing to wager that there won't be 12 players from this draft better than Jimmer?? Because I am willing to bet there will be. I just hope our scouts can find them.
 
Smart guy, they don't pay us the big bucks to scout for the Jazz. But there are people who they do pay. Are you willing to wager that there won't be 12 better players from this draft then Jimmer?? Because I am willing to bet there will be. I just hope our scouts can find them.


What are you willing to bet?

Name 12 players that will have a better NBA career than Jimmer, guy (this includes how players will fit with teams they are drafted to, injuries, coaching treatment, attitude, work ethic, durability, buy-outs, progression, contract negotiation, accidents, off the court problems, and stuff like that.) You should work for the Jazz.

Signed,

Please look up high-risk/high-reward


-But seriously, nothing but love. I'm not a BYU fan. I'm not a huge Jimmer homer, I'm just not going to say the kid has no chance of succeeding in the NBA because of other players like Morrison and the obvious reason he's white.

He's got the size. He's got the handles. He's got the offensive game (not just shooting 3's, but driving relentlessly to the hole). He seems to have the heart and the work ethic. He hasn't been injury prone. He's not great at defense (I don't think he'll ever be great, but I'm not dumb enough to think he can't or wont try to play d at the next level) He doesn't have to be a defensive player of the year because, you know, sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

Were you one of the dudes that boo'd Haygod and Stockton when they were drafted by chance?
 
What are you willing to bet?

Name 12 players that will have a better NBA career than Jimmer, guy (this includes how players will fit with teams they are drafted to, injuries, coaching treatment, attitude, work ethic, durability, buy-outs, progression, contract negotiation, accidents, off the court problems, and stuff like that.) You should work for the Jazz.

Signed,

Please look up high-risk/high-reward

Thanks for the finance lesson, now explain to me why its so irrational to think there will be at least 12 better players in this draft than Jimmer. I don't have to name which specific players will be better, because I can't claim to know. But I'd argue its likely that when its all said and done his Jimmerness lies in the bottom 80% of the draft, rather than the top 5th.

He's got the size. He's got the handles. He's got the offensive game (not just shooting 3's, but driving relentlessly to the hole). He seems to have the heart and the work ethic. He hasn't been injury prone. He's not great at defense (I don't think he'll ever be great, but I'm not dumb enough to think he can't or wont try to play d at the next level)

I think its funny, you "mock" me and claim I should "go work for the Jazz" because I'm apparently claiming to have divine scouting ability and believe there will be better players available at our pick. You then follow this with your own expert scouting opinion on the player. Lol. You go work for the Jazz, hombre.

He doesn't have to be a defensive player of the year because, you know, sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

Boozer, is that you??
 
Thanks for the finance lesson, now explain to me why its so irrational to think there will be at least 12 better players in this draft than Jimmer.

Because you made it pretty clear that there are at least 12 players in this year's draft that will be better than Jimmer. My main point is - we don't know. It's not irrational, it's just not logical.

I don't have to name which specific players will be better, because I can't claim to know.

You wiggled out of that one fast. lol


But I'd argue its likely that when its all said and done his Jimmerness lies in the bottom 80% of the draft, rather than the top 5th.

This is what bugs me the most about Jimmer haters. Why? Why is it likely when all is said and done he'll be at the bottom 80%? Is it lack of skill? Is it because you don't like him? Is it because he's white? Like we've both said, only time will tell, but why do you have so much confidence the dude is gonna fail? What has he shown that has "failure" written all over him? Just curious.



I think its funny, you "mock" me and claim I should "go work for the Jazz" because I'm apparently claiming to have divine scouting ability and believe there will be better players available at our pick.

Um, that's because I said this:
I'm not a huge Jimmer homer, I'm just not going to say the kid has no chance of succeeding in the NBA because etc
I'm going off of stuff we know about the kid. It's called being logical and credible rather than just saying bs stuff like,
he's going to be ****ing Stevish Nasherith beeotchesses lolz omgzzs!!! Jimmer. Jimmered verbage

You then follow this with your own expert scouting opinion on the player. Lol.

It wasn't expert stuff, it's just stuff that is know, guy. lol. Way over your head. hehepeepeecaca.

You go work for the Jazz, hombre.

Been there, done that.



Boozer, is that you??

Why, is that you Michelle Money?
 
Because you made it pretty clear that there are at least 12 players in this year's draft that will be better than Jimmer. My main point is - we don't know. It's not irrational, it's just not logical.

Actually man, its more logical to assume a player would fall below the top 20% of a draft class. That is logic in its most basic form. If you have 12 people in one group and 32 people in another group which is the most logical choice for which one a person would be in? If you want to claim that this is not logical then I am not sure what I can do for you.


You wiggled out of that one fast. lol

I'm not wiggling out of anything. I am so confident that I don't even need to know half the players that are going to be drafted. Based on my knowledge of the potential of known and lesser-known college athletes and the vast amount of them that exist combined with my skepticism of the NBA level translation ability of Jimmer's skill set I feel pretty sure in my assertion.

This is what bugs me the most about Jimmer haters. Why? Why is it likely when all is said and done he'll be at the bottom 80%? Is it lack of skill? Is it because you don't like him? Is it because he's white? Like we've both said, only time will tell, but why do you have so much confidence the dude is gonna fail? What has he shown that has "failure" written all over him? Just curious.

Gut instinct? Isn't that all your opinion is based off of? I said I'd like the guy at 20. Just given the talent that exists out there I think there will be better players to be drafted.



Um, that's because I said this:
I'm going off of stuff we know about the kid. It's called being logical and credible rather than just saying bs stuff like,



It wasn't expert stuff, it's just stuff that is know, guy. lol. Way over your head. hehepeepeecaca.

No brotha, you're just choosing to ignore the logic in my argument. This is because you're a Jimmer fan. There's nothing wrong with that, but don't act like you're coming from a place of pure collected logic and anyone who disagrees with you is blindly ignoring your supremely rational thoughts. The fact that you're trying to paint me this way amuses me.

Been there, done that.

Ah, so you're the mastermind behind those BJ Smiles commercials.
 
Its not like I'm saying Jimmer will be a bust and wouldn't draft him period. I'm saying I wouldn't draft him at 12 with the other players which will almost certainly be available.
 
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