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I think Jimmer should definitely be in the question at #6, a week ago nbadraft.net had Fredette going to Detroit at #7. Obviously we all know that Jimmer is a downright nasty scorer, has deep nba range for his three-pointer's. Fredette is much more than a scorer though this is what draftexpress had to say on Jimmer's passing:

Clips of Fredette attempting long pull-up threes have given him the reputation as a selfish gunner, but this is hardly the case. Yes, BYU's offense started and finished with Fredette, but he always seemed to be a willing passer, able to hit the open man if the defense starts to focus too much on him. In addition, Fredette is a strong enough ball handler with either hand to get himself to spots on the court where he is a threat, forcing help. When that help comes, Jimmer is able to get the ball to the open man.
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Whoever says Fredette is not athletic must have never seen him play, but just for good measures Jimmer has a 36 inch vertical compared to Chris Paul's 32 inch vertical and Deron Williams's 35 inch vertical. Paul and Williams seem like pretty athletic point guards to me, also has athleticism stopped Stockton or Nash from being two of the best point guards to ever play the game? Jimmer has great size for a point guard too being 6-2 and weighing 195 lbs. Fredette's only huge weakness is his defense and a lot of people say that is because he needs to save his energy for the offensive side of the game. Well, this is what scouts said about William's defense coming of out of Illinois as a Junior:

An average defensive player whose size allows him to be effective against many starting point guards. Would probably be more effective if he wasn’t relied upon so heavily on the other end of the floor. Gets beat of the dribble when he’s forced to close out, will keep his man from blowing by him when he’s playing one-on-one, but will give up a lot of midrange looks. Comes up with some steals due to his quick hands. Won’t deflect a lot of passes, forcing most of his turnovers on the ball. Commits quite a few fouls for a point guard, using his size too aggressively. Will play great defense in spurts, but is forced to play too many minutes to be able to put in the type of effort needed to maintain that same level of intensity for an entire game.
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So, is it really out of the question for the Jazz to draft Jimmer at #6?
 
Cousinsfan11 said:
Whoever says Fredette is not athletic must have never seen him play, but just for good measures Jimmer has a 36 inch vertical compared to Chris Paul's 32 inch vertical and Deron Williams's 35 inch vertical. Paul and Williams seem like pretty athletic point guards to me, also has athleticism stopped Stockton or Nash from being two of the best point guards to ever play the game?
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Uh, I don't give a **** about those numbers, when I see Fredette play, he looks terribly unathletic and gets blocked by mediocre college power forwards when he goes into the lane.

Lastly, let's just say that lacking in athleticism is generally a bad thing, with a few players that escape its fate by having other skills, like, say, passing. Fredette is no Stockton and Nash in that area, ergo, his skills put him in no-man's land in the NBA radar.
 
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BENTLEY said:
I'd rather take him at 12.
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I would too, it would be awesome if we drafted Jimmer at #12, but the problem is he won't be available.

Zerol said:
Yes because he will still be there at 12.
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No, he won't be there at #12 the farthest he is dropping is #10 I bet you. Either Kemba Walker or Brandon Knight will go #5 to the Kings, which ever one is left will go to the Pistons at #7, assuming the Cavaliers don't get the #1 pick and get Kyrie Irving they will get Derrick Williams so they would draft a point guard at #8 and I am hearing that if Walker or Knight are not available they have interest at taking Jimmer at #8, even if the Cavaliers don't draft Jimmer at #8 the farthest he would drop is #10 to the Bobcats because they want a point guard too and Walker or Knight won't be available leaving Jimmer for the Bobcats at #10.

Considering all of that, if the Jazz really do want Jimmer they are going to have to draft him at #6 which I am saying because I really want them to draft Jimmer. The Jazz could do much worse than draft Jimmer at #6.
 
Cousinsfan11 said:
I would too, it would be awesome if we drafted Jimmer at #12, but the problem is he won't be available.



No, he won't be there at #12 the farthest he is dropping is #10 I bet you. Either Kemba Walker or Brandon Knight will go #5 to the Kings, which ever one is left will go to the Pistons at #7, assuming the Cavaliers don't get the #1 pick and get Kyrie Irving they will get Derrick Williams so they would draft a point guard at #8 and I am hearing that if Walker or Knight are not available they have interest at taking Jimmer at #8, even if the Cavaliers don't draft Jimmer at #8 the farthest he would drop is #10 to the Bobcats because they want a point guard too and Walker or Knight won't be available leaving Jimmer for the Bobcats at #10.

Considering all of that, if the Jazz really do want Jimmer they are going to have to draft him at #6 which I am saying because I really want them to draft Jimmer. The Jazz could do much worse than draft Jimmer at #6.
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You are out of your damn mind if you think the Jazz would or should draft the Jimmer at 6, out of your mind! That is pure homerism at its very sickest!
 
Cousinsfan11 said:
I would too, it would be awesome if we drafted Jimmer at #12, but the problem is he won't be available. No, he won't be there at #12 the farthest he is dropping is #10 I bet you. Either Kemba Walker or Brandon Knight will go #5 to the Kings, which ever one is left will go to the Pistons at #7, assuming the Cavaliers don't get the #1 pick and get Kyrie Irving they will get Derrick Williams so they would draft a point guard at #8 and I am hearing that if Walker or Knight are not available they have interest at taking Jimmer at #8, even if the Cavaliers don't draft Jimmer at #8 the farthest he would drop is #10 to the Bobcats because they want a point guard too and Walker or Knight won't be available leaving Jimmer for the Bobcats at #10.

Considering all of that, if the Jazz really do want Jimmer they are going to have to draft him at #6 which I am saying because I really want them to draft Jimmer. The Jazz could do much worse than draft Jimmer at #6.
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So you are saying that either Knight or Kemba is available and the Jazz will take Jimmer, assuming they are going small? You also based your athletic comparison between Jimmer, Paul, and DWill purely on vertical, and still managed to get the numbers wrong. Chrissy has a max vertical of 38, not 32. I don't see how someone that is a fan of Cousins can also be such a huge Jimmer fan. Talk about opposite ends of the spectrum. I hope you are just trolling.
 
BOX said:
You are out of your damn mind if you think the Jazz would or should draft the Jimmer at 6, out of your mind! That is pure homerism at its very sickest!
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You know, I know the Jazz will not draft Jimmer at #6 unless something crazy were to happen. At #12 though, you can bet that the Jazz will draft Jimmer if he was available be my problem is he is not going to be available at #12. So, if the Jazz really want Jimmer which I don't know if they do or not they are going to have to draft him at #6.
 
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