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Saint Cy of JFC said:
The stats don't back it up. When both were healthy in there only full season as the starting front court they only played 56% of Favors total minutes together.

That is a pretty low percentage.

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Again, look at the bigger picture. If Quin wasn't staggering Rudy and Derrick, who was he putting on the floor in their absence? How much do you think the answer to that question factors in to Favors playing only 56% of his minutes with Rudy?
 
Also, I suspect Favors will attempt about 1-1.3 threes per game. They'll be wide open shots. He'll hit about 34-35%. Just a guess. If Favors has continued health issues, I see Jerebko being a real x-factor.
 
infection said:
Again, look at the bigger picture. If Quin wasn't staggering Rudy and Derrick, who was he putting on the floor in their absence? How much do you think the answer to that question factors in to Favors playing only 56% of his minutes with Rudy?
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You can stagger and play a pair of players together more than Quin has w/ Rudy and Derrick.

Let's say you want to play Derrick 32 mpg and Rudy 35, but you want to stagger Favors into most of the backup minutes at the 5.

Sub out Favors 7 minutes in. Sub out Gobert 10 minutes in w/ Favors.

Sub out Favors out 2 minutes in for Withey. Sub in Gobert 5 minutes in place of Withey. Sub Favors 7 minutes in to finish half with Rudy.

There you have Gobert playing 17 minutes (add in 30 seconds each half to get him to 35) and Favors playing 16 w/ 12 minutes together. You only had to play Withey 3 minutes without either player on the court (he was good enough to handle that. Repeat same sub pattern for the 2nd half.

So in that scenario Favors would play 75% of his minutes with Gobert. That would be easy to achieve if Quin was comfortable closing half's, especially the end of the game, with both bigs. But he hasn't been.

He often did a similar rotation in 15-16 but would go with Booker to end the game and that bumped Favors down to simply playing 56% of his minutes with Gobert (when both were healthy).



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Saint Cy of JFC said:
You can stagger and play a pair of players together more than Quin has w/ Rudy and Derrick.

Let's say you want to play Derrick 32 mpg and Rudy 35, but you want to stagger Favors into most of the backup minutes at the 5.

Sub out Favors 7 minutes in. Sub out Gobert 10 minutes in w/ Favors.

Sub out Favors out 2 minutes in for Withey. Sub in Gobert 5 minutes in place of Withey. Sub Favors 7 minutes in to finish half with Rudy.

There you have Gobert playing 17 minutes (add in 30 seconds each half to get him to 35) and Favors playing 16 w/ 12 minutes together. You only had to play Withey 3 minutes without either player on the court (he was good enough to handle that. Repeat same sub pattern for the 2nd half.

So in that scenario Favors would play 75% of his minutes with Gobert. That would be easy to achieve if Quin was comfortable closing half's, especially the end of the game, with both bigs. But he hasn't been.

He often did a similar rotation in 15-16 but would go with Booker to end the game and that bumped Favors down to simply playing 56% of his minutes with Gobert (when both were healthy).



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So then how much does injury account for Favors only playing 56% of his minutes with Gobert? Rudy missed 26% of the season that year. Or is that 56% number based on 56% of minutes in games Rudy also played?
 
infection said:
So then how much does injury account for Favors only playing 56% of his minutes with Gobert? Rudy missed 26% of the season that year. Or is that 56% number based on 56% of minutes in games Rudy also played?
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I corrected it for injury to only account for the minutes when both Favors and Gobert were healthy and available to play.

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You can look up lineup data on nba reference. Find the 2 man lineup to see how many minutes they played together then look at Favors total minutes. Then go through and find the minutes Favors played when Gobert was out w/ injury. Subtract that number from Favors minutes total to get his total minutes played while Gobert was on active roster.

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
You can look up lineup data on nba reference. Find the 2 man lineup to see how many minutes they played together then look at Favors total minutes. Then go through and find the minutes Favors played when Gobert was out w/ injury. Subtract that number from Favors minutes total to get his total minutes played while Gobert was on active roster.

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Sorry to be ignorant but do you have a link? When I google NBA reference I get basketball reference.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The stats don't back it up. When both were healthy in there only full season as the starting front court they only played 56% of Favors total minutes together.

That is a pretty low percentage.

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I think you're nuts to focus on this so much. It just means Coach wanted one of the two of them on the floor nearly all of the time. That's why they didn't play together as much. It doesn't mean coach didn't want them playing together.
 
colton said:
I think you're nuts to focus on this so much. It just means Coach wanted one of the two of them on the floor nearly all of the time. That's why they didn't play together as much. It doesn't mean coach didn't want them playing together.
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Cmon man. That's such a strawman argument.

Like I pointed out earlier, you can keep one of them on the court for most of the time and still play way more than 56% of Favors total minutes together.
 
Favors and gobert will play tons of minutes together this year if they are healthy.
Quin likes defense
 
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fishonjazz said:
Favors and gobert will play tons of minutes together this year if they are healthy.
Quin likes defense
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Quin likes defense, but he also likes having a spaced floor on offense and since he can have a pretty damn great defense w/ just Gobert, I think we see a lot of Jonas/JJ lineups.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Cmon man. That's such a strawman argument.

Like I pointed out earlier, you can keep one of them on the court for most of the time and still play way more than 56% of Favors total minutes together.
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Depends on how many minutes Favors has in total, now doesn't it?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Quin likes defense, but he also likes having a spaced floor on offense and since he can have a pretty damn great defense w/ just Gobert, I think we see a lot of Jonas/JJ lineups.
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I suppose that's the explaination for Boris starting in place of Favors.
 
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