Jazz Sign Ekpe Udoh
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Diaw has shown the ability to turn on his 3pt shooting in the past. I think the Jazz were hoping that would eventually happen.
*And he did to a degree, he shot 43% in the playoffs from 3*
He did, he shot impressively well from deep in the playoffs on 14 attempts. He shot miserably during the season at 25% on one attempt per game. But shooting numbers aren't nearly as important as reputation and respect from the defense, as that's the only thing that truly spreads the floor. Boris is a career 33.6% shooter from deep on minimal attempts (1.3 attempts per game for his career), and the way defenses play him reflect that. Despite Boris' 43% playoff shooting, he wasn't stretching the floor.
Boris at the 3py line still garners more respect than Favors and that's the point.
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My point isn't really that Favors spreads the floor. It's arguing against Quin not liking Favors/Gobert because of spacing (hell, I'm sure he doesn't like the spacing with them, most of us don't, either), but rather saying he doesn't want to play the lineup because of that is a failed theory because no matter how you spin Diaw, he isn't a floor spacer. Favors' reputation for having a midrange game and being able to score keeps guys out of the paint as much as Diaw on the perimeter does. It's a wash as they're both not stretchers by any stretch of the inagination (no pun intended). Quin going with Diaw is not a valid argument for him not liking Favors and Gobert because of spacing.
Miggs
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How many threads is Bitch Boy crying in now? Three? Four?
How not? If favors plays fewer minutes and Snyder wants one of either favors or Gobert on the floor all the time, then the combined minutes will necessarily be reduced.
That has not been the objective though.
So when Rudy is off the floor, let's say Fav & Udoh split 7/7 the backup center minutes
And when Rudy is on the floor for ~34 min, Fav gets <50%, which is ~16 min at PF.
Looks like you are pegging Fav at ~23 min per game -- is that right?
I'm not saying I disagree, but if you are right, DFav is going to be one unhappy camper in a contract year when he is going to want to get paid as a top 50 talent.
No clue how QS will create lineups and split minutes. Tough (impossible?) job.
Opponents were gleeful when Boris was taking a 3 and they were happy to not cover him. Nor would they cover Favors. No material difference in terms of spacing created.
RandyForRubio
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You have to realize that Boris' ability to pass/create also made him more of a "stretch". It's not just about shooting.
Yeah but that was part of the problem, they knew he wasn't going to shoot / didn't want to shoot, so they had no need to guard him at the perimeter, negating any stretching.
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Agreed.
I saw teams leave boris wide open at the 3 point line very frequently.
Miggs
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Cy is continuing to argue simply to argue. What a surprise. It's very simple really. Cy himself has said Withey basically stunk. We had no other legit option as a backup 5, so Favors played most of his minutes behind Gobert there.Given he was injured all year, he wasn't seeing a ton of minutes at the 4. So maybe like 14 at the 5 and 11 at the 4...or thereabouts...this conveniently worked well for Quin given his desire to have a stretch 4 and given that we had both JJ and Boris to fill that role. This didn't mean however that Quin hated Favors and Gobert together at 4/5. They played 18 minutes together per game in 15/16 at +1.8 during that span. It worked and worked very well. It just wasn't in the cards last year with no legit backup 5, Favors being hobbled and under a minutes restriction, and fairly solid stretch 4 play in JJ and to a lesser extent, Boris.
But keep on arguing Cy. Maybe you'll convince everyone otherwise.
But keep on arguing Cy. Maybe you'll convince everyone otherwise.
I dont think Favors is getting any backup center minutes.
And yes, I predict we will end up trading an unhappy Favors.
I'm not sure what the Jazz are waiting for. Maybe they are holding out hope Favors really shows out this year and either demands 30 mpg through his play or up his trade value enough to make a trade profitable for the Jazz. I just hope he doesnt turn into a Kanter situation where he demands a trade and all trade value is flushed down the drain.
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Some teams would completely ignore Boris, sure, but a lot of teams would run at him on the 3pt line.
I've only been talking about the 15/16 season...
Other people are the ones bringing up the past year. I dont use that as evidence for anything because of all the injuries that happened that year.
Then how many minutes do you see Favors getting next year, if you think Quin is highly reluctant to roll with Rudy/Derrick lineup?
But was anyone making this argument prior to this season? IIRC, this argument only came up this year because the lineup was never used. Prior to that it was highly touted.