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Wes Mantooth said:
I thought I made the following post already but am having computer issues and don't see it here so I'll post it again.

I love how Sty talks out of both sides of his mouth. A little over a month ago he was saying how Iggy is breaking down. Now though, he refers to him as en elite perimeter defender and mentions his Finals MVP.

Ruflz. ****ing clown.
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Around that same time he was talking about how bad Reggie Jackson is.

Now, I draft Drummond and all of a sudden he's a "starting level PG" who isn't holding him back.

Jordan played w/ Paul and Drummond w/ Jackson and they put up nearly identical numbers.
 
JustTheTip said:
Damn I didn't see you had taken him.

Nice pick.
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Yep. Rubio might very well have the best season of his career here coming up. Him and Gobert are going to be a nice P&R tandem for Quin. If Favors and Hood step up, he'll get a lot of attention for stepping into Hayward's shoes as the team leader on offense (despite the fact that he won't be the leading scorer.)
 
White Chocolate said:
Around that same time he was talking about how bad Reggie Jackson is.

Now, I draft Drummond and all of a sudden he's a "starting level PG" who isn't holding him back.

Jordan played w/ Paul and Drummond w/ Jackson and they put up nearly identical numbers.
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No, they didn't.

I don't love defensive metrics, but DRPM is probably the best, and RPM (which goes with it, but is overall) both indicate otherwisez

The ratings you want to use indicate Westbrook was one of the leagues best defenders last year. That alone should tell you it's bad.

When we look at the overall set of Srunmonds numbers, including how his team is better with him off the court, it should lead us to believe that DRPM makes more sense.

According to DRPM, among centers who played more ban 20 mpg, Drummond was middle of the pack (14th). Were we to include those who played 15-20 mpg, he'd be bottom of the pack. And that was his best part, his ORPM was a negative.

Watching him play backs those numbers up. Watch the tape man.
 
White Chocolate said:
Around that same time he was talking about how bad Reggie Jackson is.

Now, I draft Drummond and all of a sudden he's a "starting level PG" who isn't holding him back.

Jordan played w/ Paul and Drummond w/ Jackson and they put up nearly identical numbers.
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Yep. He is a starting level. That doesn't mean he's good. There's a reason the Pistons don't want him and there are no takers. He's a cancer.
 
JustTheTip said:
No, they didn't.

I don't love defensive metrics, but DRPM is probably the best, and RPM (which goes with it, but is overall) both indicate otherwisez

The ratings you want to use indicate Westbrook was one of the leagues best defenders last year. That alone should tell you it's bad.

When we look at the overall set of Srunmonds numbers, including how his team is better with him off the court, it should lead us to believe that DRPM makes more sense.

According to DRPM, among centers who played more ban 20 mpg, Drummond was middle of the pack (14th). Were we to include those who played 15-20 mpg, he'd be bottom of the pack. And that was his best part, his ORPM was a negative.

Watching him play backs those numbers up. Watch the tape man.
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I found an article from a year ago that had stats that proved the Clippers were a better defensive team with Jordan off the floor. Watch the tape man.
 
Ehh, in the middle on Drummond, the guy has a lot of tools, but I've yet to see him successfully apply them like Jordan consistently does (one of the best in the league at staying in his lane). I'm not sure Curry is the right PG to have him paired with to get the most out of him, players who play with Curry have to be pretty solid decision makers on their own and know how to move without the ball. Drummond seems like a guy who'd be at his best with someone else making all the decisions for him (a CP3/LeBron/Rubio type).
 
Eminence said:
Ehh, in the middle on Drummond, the guy has a lot of tools, but I've yet to see him successfully apply them like Jordan consistently does (one of the best in the league at staying in his lane). I'm not sure Curry is the right PG to have him paired with to get the most out of him, players who play with Curry have to be pretty solid decision makers on their own and know how to move without the ball. Drummond seems like a guy who'd be at his best with someone else making all the decisions for him (a CP3/LeBron/Rubio type).
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lol

Is this a joke post? Curry made Javale ****ing McGee look like a good player.
 
White Chocolate said:
I found an article from a year ago that had stats that proved the Clippers were a better defensive team with Jordan off the floor. Watch the tape man.
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During the 2014-2015 season, that would be correct.

Since then, the Clippers have been better, offensively and defensively, with him in the court.

I would check your research.

For reference, last year, Clippers were 14.3 pts/100 better with Jordon on compared to off. Pistons were 12 points/100 worse with Drummond on versus off. That's a difference of 26.3 pts/100.

Don't tell me they're statistically the same. They're not.
 
Consider first some team context. The Clippers are almost exactly league average as a per-possession defensive team, ranking 15th in the league per NBA.com. This isn’t a death sentence to a DPOY candidate by itself (one of our top five candidates below plays for a team that’s slightly worse than this for the season), but the player in question had better be something quite impressive on the defensive end to warrant inclusion if his team isn’t among the league’s top 10 or so. Here’s the thing, though: Jordan isn’t that impressive as a defender. Blocks are nice, but they have an unfortunate tendency to often overrate defenders given the fact that, until recently, they were one of the only available statistical measures of a player’s impact.

This is what’s happening here, and a particularly egregious case of it at that. The largest piece of evidence? Jordan’s own team is better defensively when he sits on the bench than when he plays. That’s right, the Clippers allow a 103.7 rating with DeAndre and a 102.3 rating when he’s off the floor.
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lol
 
I like the Drummond pick. Thought that he was great value at that point. Would've considered getting in on Otto Porter just to add a starting level SF, but I'm happy with Favors as my PF. That spot was getting thin also. If Favors has a bounce back year he's going to get a lot of attention this year.
 
Eminence said:
And Javale was asked to do basically nothing from the bench (9 mpg) while playing on a team more loaded than any team in this draft. I'm assuming you're hoping for much more from Drummond.
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It's hilarious that you said that about Curry too. He's one of the best if not the best offensive playmakers in the league.
 
JustTheTip said:
During the 2014-2015 season, that would be correct.

Since then, the Clippers have been better, offensively and defensively, with him in the court.

I would check your research.

For reference, last year, Clippers were 14.3 pts/100 better with Jordon on compared to off. Pistons were 12 points/100 worse with Drummond on versus off. That's a difference of 26.3 pts/100.

Don't tell me they're statistically the same. They're not.
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As far as per game averages they are and again who does Drummond have on his team? I know for damn sure it isn't anyone near Paul or Griffin.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I thought I made the following post already but am having computer issues and don't see it here so I'll post it again.

I love how Sty talks out of both sides of his mouth. A little over a month ago he was saying how Iggy is breaking down. Now though, he refers to him as en elite perimeter defender and mentions his Finals MVP.

Ruflz. ****ing clown.
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I thought he was. But it turns out he was just conserving himself for the Finals to guard Lebron.
 
White Chocolate said:
lol
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The Pistons are 10 points worse w/ Drummond on the floor this past year. That is what is LOL.

You citing some stats from a couple years back (or possibly mid-season stats, idk) is laughable, especially when the difference was only -1.4.

If you are laughing at that, what do you do to Drummond?

You can't say a damn thing about on/off stats when Drummond is the biggest perpetrator.
 
White Chocolate said:
It's hilarious that you said that about Curry too. He's one of the best if not the best offensive playmakers in the league.
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Keep twisting them words man. Curry is a great enabler of offense, but he's not someone who makes all the offensive decisions for his team, and Drummond making his own offensive decisions has consistently been bad news with the Pistons. Obviously Curry is a huge upgrade and he'll do considerably better than with the Pistons, that still doesn't mean it's his optimal role.
 
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