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Stoked said:
I agree that their message and goals are dramatically different. I do not contest that at all. But to many of their tactics are the same. Violence and intimidation, that I do not support.

As for them being frustrated, that is abundantly clear and I don't fault them for that. But that does not justify violence.

But at this point the discussion isn't about Charlottesville but the general tone and tactics of these groups over months and years. I have particular problem with their tendency to use violence and intimidation to shut down any venue of free speech that they oppose.

So I have one group, "untie the right", that I oppose in message, goals and tactics. And another group, "antifa", that I partially agree with in its goals and message but oppose in tactics.
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You're welcome to suggest another tactic. But I hope it's something new... equal rights advocates have tried everything under the sun to stem racially segregating/hating groups for a very long time now.

Hell, I'll go on record saying I'll kiss you if you can come up with a non-violent idea that will quantifiably provide equal rights for all. Or just end hate groups.
 
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Eminence said:
"Violence on both sides", what is that even supposed to say? No crap both sides will be violent in a fight, that doesn't mean that the two sides are suddenly equal - the reasons they're fighting shouldn't be forgotten.
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This.
I'm glad that "the other side" used violence against Hitler back in the day.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Good job aligning yourself with the opposition. **** Nazi's, WS, and whoever the **** representing white victimization. ANTFIFA is the extreme wing fighting against **** bags. Go for it boys. **** them right in the ***.

Babe, dutchrudder, and their ilk can go find their penises and die for all I care. Extreme racism should be stomped out.

You do pick a side here. Period. I feel fine where I'm at. Those trying to find common ground will fail. **** the KKK, WS, and whatever ******** term they use.

****. You.


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That's what they said for goin into Iraq. Good level headed thinking there kiddo. Pick 1 side. Die for your side.
 
Harambe said:
You're welcome to suggest another tactic. But I hope it's something new... equal rights advocates have tried everything under the sun to stem racially segregating/hating groups for a very long time now.

Hell, I'll go on record saying I'll kiss you if you can come up with a non-violent idea that will quantifiably provide equal rights for all. Or just end hate groups.
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And look at all the amazing progress that has been made, the approach was working! But now it is being changed to something causing more harm than good IMO. Their violence is alienating possible allies and hardening their opposition. It is not the answer.

There will never be an end to hate groups. Never, ever. There is no approach that will do that. Their violence is alienating possible allies and hardening their opposition. It is not the answer.
 
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It's appalling how people can be anti Nazi but pro ANTIFA at the same time without realizing they are two faces of the same coin.
 
Stoked said:
And look at all the amazing progress that has been made, the approach was working! But now it is being changed to something causing more harm than good IMO.

There will never be an end to hate groups. Never, ever. There is no approach that will do that. Their violence is alienating possible allies and hardening their opposition. It is not the answer.
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Yes. "Look at the progress they're making!" is exactly what the far right are looking at.

And no.. we haven't crossed the line of more harm than good. You're welcome to that opinion, but recognize that it gives weight to the people that just ran over an innocent woman because she had a difference of opinion.

Not because she was throwing a stick
Not because she was flashing her gun
Not because she was threatening violence

Because she had a largely peaceful idea of what America is on track to become someday. You know.. unless the far right "take their country back".
 
Wasn't trump's daddy a kkk member and was arrested in 1927 for his participation in a kkk rally in New York? I wonder if his views have influenced his son's?
 
Tak said:
It's appalling how people can be anti Nazi but pro ANTIFA at the same time without realizing they are two faces of the same coin.
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LOL this thread is why yellow journalism exists. I got extra chuckles from babypeterz harambe an Jonah outrage. Stoked was a bit funny but reasonable. Zombie got his panties wadded so tight they could shear a automobile.
 
The Thriller said:
Wasn't trump's daddy a kkk member and was arrested in 1927 for his participation in a kkk rally in New York? I wonder if his views have influenced his son's?
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There's evidence of him being brought in. But he was released; not charged or charges dropped.

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-father-kkk-1927/

Kind of a running gag with the trumps... they gotta come in for something(KKK, Draft), but somehow manage not to be charged/drafted.

Huh.
 
well i guess i will never move to virginia... pretty weird tho. i went to monticello last year and thought it was a great place to live. guess i didn't run into these ****ers
 
the funny thing about all this is we are giving these haters exactly what they want a moment in the spot light. If we ignored them and let them spew their hate and walk on by, as long as there is no violence, they will disappear because they are not getting the attention that they wanted.
 
Crocodile Dante said:
the funny thing about all this is we are giving these haters exactly what they want a moment in the spot light. If we ignored them and let them spew their hate and walk on by, as long as there is no violence, they will disappear because they are not getting the attention that they wanted.
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Maybe, maybe not. That's an assumption/opinion rather than a fact.
 
Harambe said:
Yes. "Look at the progress they're making!" is exactly what the far right are looking at.

And no.. we haven't crossed the line of more harm than good. You're welcome to that opinion, but recognize that it gives weight to the people that just ran over an innocent woman because she had a difference of opinion.

Not because she was throwing a stick
Not because she was flashing her gun
Not because she was threatening violence

Because she had a largely peaceful idea of what America is on track to become someday. You know.. unless the far right "take their country back".
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They won't. The vast majority of the public is opposed to them and rightfully so. As far was what the far right is looking at I say let them look as the rest of us come together, start talking again like we are and get back to making progress.

We are just going to disagree on the more harm then good point. I feel that the violence used by groups like antifa is what gives weight to incidents like the car crash.
 
Tak said:
It's appalling how people can be anti Nazi but pro ANTIFA at the same time without realizing they are two faces of the same coin.
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See, I don't agree with this. Aside from tendency to use violence they are not at all comparable.
 
Crocodile Dante said:
the funny thing about all this is we are giving these haters exactly what they want a moment in the spot light. If we ignored them and let them spew their hate and walk on by, as long as there is no violence, they will disappear because they are not getting the attention that they wanted.
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Bad publicity is still publicity.

But dat unchecked racism and misdirected hostility, yo.
 
Tak said:
Care to elaborate?
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Sure.

As mentioned in this very thread you have to look at their motivations, beliefs and goals.

"Unite The Right" is based off the principle that one "race" is superior to the other. Hate and suppression are core tenants of its belief and motivation.

One is based off a desire for social progress and increased government benefits and fairness. It is not based off of hate based on skin tone, orientation, religion...

One is a hate movement and the other is not.
 
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