Extend Hood ?

[TheStormofWar]

Hood's production is going to go up as Hayward isn't on the team anymore. If he approaches anything near his potential, that is going to shoot up his price. If 15 per get it's done now, you do that. Now.

 

[vegas]

This year the extension means more buy in than good deal to me. I think its a good deal by default unless hood thinks he's an all start now.

Both sides know the market will be cheaper in the coming off-season.

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[Cappy_Smurf]

Hayward wasnt an injury concern. At worst he was just an average starter.

Hood is injured constantly and his worst is a mediocre bench player.

Regardless of what happens with Hood, there will be a bunch of hindsight experts to come in and tell us how things should have been done differently.

Knowing what we knew at the time, it's ridiculous and silly to suggest DL made some big mistake by not throwing a max at Haywood. Things worked out for him, but it could have just as easily gone the other way like it did with Parsons.

 

[Jazz4ever]

I'd have a lot of interest in a Hood signed at 15 million. Dude is going to be featured this year. No way he doesn't blow up statistics wise. . .

And team's best wing defenders will be on him instead of Hayward. That means Jimmy Butler 4 times a year. Kawhi Leonard 4 times a year. Tony Allen. I think we're in store for a lot of 4-15 shooting nights.

 

[framer]

And team's best wing defenders will be on him instead of Hayward. That means Jimmy Butler 4 times a year. Kawhi Leonard 4 times a year. Tony Allen. I think we're in store for a lot of 4-15 shooting nights.

Possibly. But the team's best defender shadowing Hood on the perimeter is exactly what we want, no? Also, the entire Jazz Offense is predicated on using the shot clock to get the matchup they want. This is why Haywood's Offense against elite defenders improved. Only two years ago Haywood was going 4-15 against the likes of Butler.

 

[Douchebag K]

Possibly. But the team's best defender shadowing Hood on the perimeter is exactly what we want, no? Also, the entire Jazz Offense is predicated on using the shot clock to get the matchup they want. This is why Haywood's Offense against elite defenders improved. Only two years ago Haywood was going 4-15 against the likes of Butler.

excellent point. Hadn't thought of it in those terms.

 

[Boris]

Possibly. But the team's best defender shadowing Hood on the perimeter is exactly what we want, no? Also, the entire Jazz Offense is predicated on using the shot clock to get the matchup they want. This is why Haywood's Offense against elite defenders improved. Only two years ago Haywood was going 4-15 against the likes of Butler.

Don't be stupid. Haywood's offense improved cause Haywood improved it. All hate aside he got himself mo betta.

Y'all actin like Haywood ain't deserving a all start bid IN THE WEST is straight silly. Any team would gladly hand him the max. That is why fans are so butt hurt over this. Git over it mane.

 

[karl malone]

I question whether it makes sense to extend Hood (4/60-80ish) while Ingles is locked up at 10M per over the next 4 years. I'm not sold that a small franchises can afford the luxury of having two somewhat redundant players (who also play similar positions) taking up a significant amount of the payroll. Especially when there are other positions (namely PF) that could be improved with those resources/assets.

Hood clearly appears to be the better fit with our current roster due to his age/offensive potential. And as valuable as Ingles is, even more so to a legitimate contender, it may ultimately make sense to eventually shop him (when possible, I'm not completely clear on the restrictions concerning trading newly signed/extended players)

What do people think the right move is, long-term? I also envision a similar scenario between Rubio/Exum at the PG spot. There are a lot of decisions that need to be made over the next couple of years that will likely have a significant affect on our future success & this is definitely one of the more important decisions as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

Long term I am fine with extending Hood. Even after Ingles, and even with a potential large contract coming for Favors.

I don't think the Jazz are going to even approach the idea of blowing up the roster until after the Gobert/Mitchell era, so I think they will skirt the luxury tax to make the team as competitive as possible for the next 7 years. I think they likley feel that they owe Rudy as much for his competitive nature. So I think the Udoh/Jerebko-like signings will continue.

At Hood's tier you need six guys if you are only paying one star, and 4-5 if you are paying two. Right now they are paying Rubio, Ingles, Favors, Burks and Johnson at that tier. Hood is our replacement for Burks next year, and we drop Johnson as we are likely to give Favors a big contract.

I don't think Exum is ever getting star money. So if he performs well, perhaps the team is willing to pay the tax to keep him at the Hood/Ingles tier and compete in the superteam era. But I don't think Hood's contract will really be a hinderance that way. If Exum's market demand is really that high, then we can always match it and package Rubio and/or Hood in a trade.

Either way, Hood at $15-17 million is a good contract to either keep or trade.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I haven't mapped it out but we may not want to extend Hood for cap reasons. His cap hold is super low and I think there will actually be some value in next year's FA class. I think we'd have some maneuvering to do but I think we could create some decent room and there are not many good teams that will have space.

Unless we think we are getting an okay discount then I might actually wait but give assurances we want this to get done next year after we've utilized space... Spurs did this with Kawhi and detroit did it with Drummond.

There also may be a team that is desperate to dump salary to sign one of the big FA. This is not nearly as cut and dry as I initially thought.

 

[Jack Strop]

I haven't mapped it out but we may not want to extend Hood for cap reasons. His cap hold is super low and I think there will actually be some value in next year's FA class. I think we'd have some maneuvering to do but I think we could create some decent room and there are not many good teams that will have space.

Unless we think we are getting an okay discount then I might actually wait but give assurances we want this to get done next year after we've utilized space... Spurs did this with Kawhi and detroit did it with Drummond.

There also may be a team that is desperate to dump salary to sign one of the big FA. This is not nearly as cut and dry as I initially thought.

I have mapped it out. To clear a large amount of cap space would require renouncing Favs and Exum, declining non-guaranteed contracts for Udoh, Sefolosha and Jerebko. Since Hood's cap hold is small ($7m or so), Jazz could keep his rights and re-sign as their final roster move (or wait until last moment to match an offer). TBH, I just don't see them being players in free agency. Probably a better chance of making a trade. And if Favs is healthy, he might be the best FA available for Utah to sign.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I have mapped it out. To clear a large amount of cap space would require renouncing Favs and Exum, declining non-guaranteed contracts for Udoh, Sefolosha and Jerebko. Since Hood's cap hold is small ($7m or so), Jazz could keep his rights and re-sign as their final roster move (or wait until last moment to match an offer). TBH, I just don't see them being players in free agency. Probably a better chance of making a trade. And if Favs is healthy, he might be the best FA available for Utah to sign.

All of those things are easy to do though... so if you can get a deal done you clear the space and sign someone... if not you retain the rights and decide which to keep.

 

[Jack Strop]

All of those things are easy to do though... so if you can get a deal done you clear the space and sign someone... if not you retain the rights and decide which to keep.

I forgot to mention also trading Alec. But yes, if there's a great FA you can do that - at the cost of not being able to retain Favors, Exum or possibly a solid backup like Udoh (don't really care about Thabo or Jerebko). That's one reason NOT to extend Hood right now - flexibility to make offers to who DL wants, whether that is an outside FA or our own players. And what if Hood is just average and Exum busts out? Or Favs plays like an all-star? Then it could be Hood you want to let walk instead of one of the others. Does anyone know what the deadline is for extending? Would be helpful if the Jazz had a month or two to assess performance.

 

[Crawlnstall]

I love Hood, but an extension could be very dangerous or a complete steal. He can't really play the 3 since he can't defend against strong SF's. He has had some health concerns and can be wildly inconsistent.
But he also could benefit huge from Rubio and tear it up from 3.
If we can get him for under 15 mil a year you gotta do it

 

[infection]

Is he going to be extended for the Boston game?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Looked over the free agent list. Of the guys I'd want really only Parker and Aaron Gordon are potentially gettable and if Parker plays well they'd match whatever offer he got... if he can't stay on the court it'd be a big gamble. I think Gordon will get extended and may be available through trade but depends on what he shows this year... the other free agents really don't move the needle enough.

If we can get Hoods deal done at a reasonable price, 14-18 per year, then go for it. Maybe we could do a sign and trade for Parker or Gordon.

 

[framer]

Don't be stupid. Haywood's offense improved cause Haywood improved it. All hate aside he got himself mo betta.

Y'all actin like Haywood ain't deserving a all start bid IN THE WEST is straight silly. Any team would gladly hand him the max. That is why fans are so butt hurt over this. Git over it mane.

Haywood improved, but much of his jump occurred because the Jazz put him in a much better situation. Every time Haywood would iso, it was after the Jazz ran enough rubs to give him an advantageous matchup. When they couldn't do this, Haywood would generally just launch a quick 3 or attempt a midrange fadeaway, especially at the end of quarters. At one point last year I thought that his fadeaway had regressed, but then I realized he would just go to the hole with the easier matchups that he used to take that shot on. Last year he only used the fadeaway when he was stymied from doing anything else. That was a good basketball decision.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Haywood improved, but much of his jump occurred because the Jazz put him in a much better situation. Every time Haywood would iso, it was after the Jazz ran enough rubs to give him an advantageous matchup. When they couldn't do this, Haywood would generally just launch a quick 3 or attempt a midrange fadeaway, especially at the end of quarters. At one point last year I thought that his fadeaway had regressed, but then I realized he would just go to the hole with the easier matchups that he used to take that shot on. Last year he only used the fadeaway when he was stymied from doing anything else. That was a good basketball decision.

I thought it was an ideal match and I'm not sure the "basketball genius" Brad Stevens will get any more out of Hayward than we did. His game was efficient, unforced, and seemed to match our free flowing style. I know Kyrie is saying the right things now, but honestly I think guys will revert back to what they do best... dude likes to hold the ball... dribble and go to work... he is great at it, but it limits the offensive ceiling of teams he plays on.

I will go on record right now and say I think Hayward averages less points per game this year and I think his shooting percentage may dip. Not a catastrophic fall, but not as good as last year.

 

[framer]

I thought it was an ideal match and I'm not sure the "basketball genius" Brad Stevens will get any more out of Hayward than we did. His game was efficient, unforced, and seemed to match our free flowing style. I know Kyrie is saying the right things now, but honestly I think guys will revert back to what they do best... dude likes to hold the ball... dribble and go to work... he is great at it, but it limits the offensive ceiling of teams he plays on.

I will go on record right now and say I think Hayward averages less points per game this year and I think his shooting percentage may dip. Not a catastrophic fall, but not as good as last year.

Don't forget that the Celtics are expecting him to perhaps be the top defender in the starting lineup. He's a plus defender, but he ain't no anchor. If he is tasked with that responsibility it will definitely affect him on the offensive end. We won't need that from Hood.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

potential Cons for Hood not signing now

- Burks being back to full health. If Burks can stay healthy he might be a better value.
- Exum starting to get it. If Exum explodes like I am hoping he is going to take minutes away
- DM breaking out and demanding that he get playing time.
- Royce O'Neal turning into a legitimate 3 and D player that needs playing time
- Continued progression of Joe Ingles
- 2018 draft is loaded with SF talent
- 2018 Free agency could be very sparse for middling talent