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LogGrad98 said:
Yeah I think this entire thing is so blown out of proportion it isn't funny. Take a knee, don't take a knee. People all over the place do different and stupid things in these circumstances. To make some judgement about a person's character based on whether they do what you think they should during a song sung before a bunch of grown men play a child's game is absurd in the extreme. I was once at a Jazz game and the guy next to me, during the anthem had his hat off his head, his hand on his heart, and kept saying things like "**** the military, get out of Afghanistan" loud enough that several around him could hear him. So he did all the right things right? Didn't kneel or anythig. but he was still an ******* (proved it even more during the game). It is all stupid.
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So not to defend trump or anything but to say he is spending all this time attacking the NFL to the supposed neglect of anything else is disingenuous. How long does it take to tweet? I have no doubt he is always looking for things to tweet about especially anything that gets him attention. This is just the current post-masturbatory obsession he has. As soon as this goes stale he'll move on to something equally as stupid.

Oh and he is neglecting all kinds of **** just par for the course really.
 
candrew said:
I'm not saying I disagree with you; but the far right has been doing this for at least the last 50 years now - definitely since LBJ vs. Barry Goldwater. Culturally, economically...you name it.

Trump just happens to be the most brazen at it.
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lol, i like your fairy tale. you should get into writing story
 
LogGrad98 said:
So not to defend trump or anything but to say he is spending all this time attacking the NFL to the supposed neglect of anything else is disingenuous. How long does it take to tweet? I have no doubt he is always looking for things to tweet about especially anything that gets him attention. This is just the current post-masturbatory obsession he has. As soon as this goes stale he'll move on to something equally as stupid.

Oh and he is neglecting all kinds of **** just par for the course really.
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also it started during a campaign speech. he had no written speech so he was just talking and saying what he was thinking.
i seen the whole speech and the media just took that to show how trump is racist by being against black lives matter, and such hogwash
 
I'd be interested to know how many of the angry fans stand at attention with their hands over their hearts in their TV rooms during every sporting event. Were they also disrespecting the military if they don't?

I would prefer we only play our national anthem for international sporting events (with an exception for the Super Bowl), similar to most other countries. The way we do it feels like forced patriotism.
 
JazzGal said:
I'd be interested to know how many of the angry fans stand at attention with their hands over their hearts in their TV rooms during every sporting event. Were they also disrespecting the military if they don't?

I would prefer we only play our national anthem for international sporting events (with an exception for the Super Bowl), similar to most other countries. The way we do it feels like forced patriotism.
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I don't mind them playing the national anthem before sporting events, but it long ago devolved into pageantry and now into political fodder. It is meant to bring us together, one nation indivisible, but it has lost a lot of its original intent. Repetition, like familiarity, can breed contempt.
 
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Why didn't TV networks show angry, booing NFL fans Sunday or Monday?

With President Donald Trump's attacks against protesting NFL players still reverberating, the league's TV partners decided to air live coverage of the national anthem before Week 3 games. Those partners left out a key element of the coverage: crowd shots of angry fans.

Networks typically do not televise the national anthem except for the Super Bowl and other special occasions, but they recognized there would be intense viewer interest this past weekend.

Some fans, if they reacted at all, happily clapped and cheered during protests, but others did not, and they angrily let their home teams know it. The audio mics picked up the boos. Yet the TV networks mostly avoided crowd shots Sunday, so there was never a chance for viewers to see fans jeering players.

A segment of Patriots fans in Foxborough, Mass., for example, nearly booed their own players off the field when some Pats sat or kneeled, with some screaming, "Stand up!"

One behind-the-scenes TV staffer at another stadium told Sporting News that camera operators were ordered to avoid crowd shots in case they showed fans counterprotesting the protests.


NBC Sports, CBS Sports, Fox Sports and ESPN pay billions each year to televise live NFL games. The league saw this weekend's unprecedented anthem coverage as a golden opportunity to demonstrate unity among players, coaches and owners -- and opposition to Trump's comments.

If crowd shots were indeed purposely avoided, it was a wise business decision by the networks not to bite the hand that feeds them their most popular programming, but a weak move from a journalistic standpoint. By covering one of the most significant days in NFL history with rose-colored glasses, the networks cheated viewers. We got an incomplete picture of what really happened in stadiums on Sunday and Monday.
Yes, the main television focus should have been on the players, coaches and owners sitting, kneeling or linking arms. But fans hold the ultimate power over the networks and the league, and they were missing in action during coverage.

CBS spokeswoman Jennifer Sabatelle told Sporting News no one at her network was instructed to ignore the crowd.

"The anthem was covered by each crew in their own way, with many choosing to stay with what was happening on the field," Sabatelle said. "There was no directive given to not show the fans."

And yet, fans were hardly shown, much less interviewed, by NFL networks Sunday.

During ESPN's "Monday Night Football" telecast of the Cowboys-Cardinals in Glendale, Ariz., play-by-play announcer Sean McDonough noted, "Boos can be heard from this sellout crowd" as Jerry Jones and the Cowboys collectively took a knee.

But we never saw any of these frustrated spectators. Were they booing both teams for protesting? Just booing the visiting Cowboys? Both? We got only one quick shot of a fan holding Old Glory while Jordin Sparks sang "The Star-Spangled Banner."

ESPN declined to comment, but a source said there was no edict from Bristol, that it's up to the director of the "MNF" game telecast to make the call from the production truck on what shots to use.

Perhaps it's unfair to judge networks by strict journalistic standards since they are effectively billion-dollar business partners with the league. But viewers shouldn't have to go to social media or local newspapers to find out what really happens inside stadiums.

We're all big boys and girls. The sky isn't going to fall if networks show the booing of protesting players.

Plenty of people are dubious about the league's real aim in all of this. Does it really support the players' rights to protest, or was the emphasis on "Unity" a self-serving PR ploy by a league seeking to deflect attention from the real causes of Kaepernick's protest?

Deadspin's Tom Ley, for example, called BS on "Choose Your Side" Sunday: "The NFL is literally using this for brand marketing."

Next time, the networks showing NFL games should keep it real. Give us the truth, as uncomfortable as that might be, and not the glossy, Hallmark card-version the NFL wants us to see.
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lol if *** doenst fit the narrative, deceive the audience
 
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i always said it they are free to do what they want! but then fans are free to boycot them.

and in liv eyou should make smart business decision and maybe protest in your free time not on the job
 
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This man kneeled as President Trump's motorcade passed by.

I feel it is safe to assume the man is a veteran and that the flag he holds is one given to him for a deceased veteran family member.

I have two such flags in my home, one for my mother and one for my father. Both of them volunteered to serve in the Army during the Vietnam War.
 
Bulletproof said:
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This man kneeled as President Trump's motorcade passed by.

I feel it is safe to assume the man is a veteran and that the flag he holds is one given to him for a deceased veteran family member.

I have two such flags in my home, one for my mother and one for my father. Both of them volunteered to serve in the Army during the Vietnam War.
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that proves black americans are not opressed if you did that in socialist paraides like cub, venezuela, russia or nazi germany you would end up like tankman. lost forever!
 
funny what counts as proof when someone is confirming their biases...
 
Bulletproof said:
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This man kneeled as President Trump's motorcade passed by.

I feel it is safe to assume the man is a veteran and that the flag he holds is one given to him for a deceased veteran family member.

I have two such flags in my home, one for my mother and one for my father. Both of them volunteered to serve in the Army during the Vietnam War.
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My oldest brother has out fathers folded flag. His wife got it place din a shadow box with his medals. Vietnam as well.

DutchJazzer said:
that proves black americans are not opressed if you did that in socialist paraides like cub, venezuela, russia or nazi germany you would end up like tankman. lost forever!
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This is insanely horrible logic. Like saying someone isn't sick because they have pneumonia instead of stage 4 cancer.
 
Stoked said:
My oldest brother has out fathers folded flag. His wife got it place din a shadow box with his medals. Vietnam as well.



This is insanely horrible logic. Like saying someone isn't sick because they have pneumonia instead of stage 4 cancer.
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It all depends on what your definition of "is" is, or something.
 
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lol counterfit news network depending on the narative they have opposing headlines!

thye aren't even trying to hide their fakyness anymore!
 
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