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/facepalm

Trump just compared the 16 Puerto Rican deaths from Maria to a "real catastrophe" like Katrina...

Does the man stop to think at all? I think the PC culture has gone way over board but this guy is just a jerk. That's me just being nice.
 
/facepalm

Trump just compared the 16 Puerto Rican deaths from Maria to a "real catastrophe" like Katrina...

Does the man stop to think at all? I think the PC culture has gone way over board but this guy is just a jerk. That's me just being nice.
Ya, trump is the douchiest douche that ever douched imo
 
Trump's response has been deplorable, but this seriously short-changes the relief efforts going on from several fronts, including military, relief organizations, and FEMA. One thing this article does not do is outline exactly where the actual response in terms of relief failed. All in all the relief efforts have been pretty solid. Now Trump is a dick and he of course turned this into his favorite topic, making this all about him. But the government as a whole responded as well as could reasonably be expected considering we were already engaged in 2 other huge relief efforts at the time. Believe it or not resources are not infinite and response times cannot be instantaneous. Everything I have read the actual experts have said that the actual relief efforts have been as good as they could have been under the circumstances.

Why are you responding to one of the several Dalaballbaby alts? You might as well go read every one of Red's posts.
 
Seems as likely as anything else right now.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ing-politics-awol-at-meetings/article/2636185

Regardless, the President should shut up about it and focus on far more important things than his beef with the San Juan mayor. Terrible look.
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95 percent of the country lacks electricity.
85 percent of all cell phone towers are still out.
Most of the county still doesn’t have clean water.

But sure, let’s blame the mayor of some city instead of the ******* who spent most of the past week arguing about the NFL and Steph curry. I can’t wait until he’s taken out of office.
 
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95 percent of the country lacks electricity.
85 percent of all cell phone towers are still out.
Most of the county still doesn’t have clean water.

But sure, let’s blame the mayor of some city instead of the ******* who spent most of the past week arguing about the NFL and Steph curry. I can’t wait until he’s taken out of office.

Trump could realistically have done nothing more to fix any of those things than they are doing now. They have tons of resources there but this is such a nightmare that it cannot go fast. What is ridiculous is people saying "hey the electricity has been out for 2 days why didn't you fix it faster" when the ENTIRE PHYSICAL GRID has been destroyed. Estimates are MONTHS in some places to get wiring redone and transformers replaced, etc etc. Yeah Trump is an *** but him spending time on twitter does NOT equal NOTHING being done in PR.
 
Trump could realistically have done nothing more to fix any of those things than they are doing now. They have tons of resources there but this is such a nightmare that it cannot go fast. What is ridiculous is people saying "hey the electricity has been out for 2 days why didn't you fix it faster" when the ENTIRE PHYSICAL GRID has been destroyed. Estimates are MONTHS in some places to get wiring redone and transformers replaced, etc etc. Yeah Trump is an *** but him spending time on twitter does NOT equal NOTHING being done in PR.

The preparation was deplorable.
The aftermath has been worse.

The president lacks empathy and intelligence.

Donald doesn’t even know where PR even is. And he honestly doesn’t give a ****. To them they’re Mexicans. Since all Latinos to him are the same. Had America had a real leader, like president obama not Dotard, I guarantee you that the prep and rebuild would be exponentially better.

PR dies as he tweets. He’s trash and I can’t wait until he’s taken out of office. Be it mueller or congress or the people.
 
Why are you responding to one of the several Dalaballbaby alts? You might as well go read every one of Red's posts.

Meh I thought the comment was important to get out there. Anyone who takes a bit of time to understand the situation and dig a little deeper would realize that the work to repair everything in PR is probably the most daunting task our country has undetaken to recover from a disaster since things like the San Fran and Chicago fires and such. Nothing else is even close to this scale. I read that nearly 90% of power lines in the entire country were down, completely, and that most of the transformers were shot as well. One issue is a shortage of transformers they can bring there, which are now being built and brought from other power grids all around the country. And that is JUST the electricity piece. It will be months and months of work to get everything restored. And the president tweeting all his ******** does NOTHING to take away from the relief efforts. That is all underway regardless of how many round of golf the Dickwad in Chief plays before tweeting his normal daily ********.
 
The preparation was deplorable.
The aftermath has been worse.


Donald doesn’t even know where PR even is. And he honestly doesn’t give a ****. To them they’re Mexicans. Since all Latinos to him are the same. Had America had a real leader, like president obama not Dotard, I guarantee you that the prep and rebuild would be exponentially better.

Please post something from experts that showed that either of these are true. Along with that please post anything that proves that there were ways to be more prepared when they didn't even anticipate the storm moving the way it did. Then post all the ways the Donald personally delayed anything by tweeting instead of sending help. The only sources you will find are liberal rags complaining that they aren't doing more, with nothing to substantiate any of those claims.
 
Seems as likely as anything else right now.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ing-politics-awol-at-meetings/article/2636185

Regardless, the President should shut up about it and focus on far more important things than his beef with the San Juan mayor. Terrible look.

Yeah, he should stay above the fray but you should also read the history of Puerto Rico's economy and how they've been dependent on the US economy for a very, very long time. They were essentially a tax haven for US industry (big pharma makes up 50% of their economy) until the 10-year phase-out that ended in 2006 (which was one justification for the protectionist Jones Act at the beginning). During this phase out, industry started fleeing the island to Mexico and elsewhere. Tax haven status was initially a mutual agreement between PR, corporate America, and our government to protect the shipping union and grow jobs in PR (and it worked very well. Their standard of living is high relative to comparative countries). Basically, they got a ton of jobs and so did US shipping companies. Meanwhile, the true driver, corporate America, got 100% tax exempt status for businesses operating in PR. PR has also thrived off of US welfare aid.

In light of that you might start to understand Trump's seemingly ridiculous tweets about the situation. In the end, however, he is taking Bill Clinton's "Operation Bootstrap" stance at times on this situation. It's no less or more racial or rude than what Clinton started that took this storm from a mess to a tragedy due to horrible a economic climate.
 
Please post something from experts that showed that either of these are true. Along with that please post anything that proves that there were ways to be more prepared when they didn't even anticipate the storm moving the way it did. Then post all the ways the Donald personally delayed anything by tweeting instead of sending help. The only sources you will find are liberal rags complaining that they aren't doing more, with nothing to substantiate any of those claims.

You realize what I’m saying is exactly what our armed forces have reiterated, right?
 
Ya, trump is the douchiest douche that ever douched imo

Yep, even if it was the douchiest day of the year in the douchiest city on the planet, and trump took some concentrated douche vitamins and had and electrified douche machine, he still couldn't be a bigger douche than he already is.
 
Here we go, an assessment of the early response from the military perspective. There are many points of view in this one and it is an interesting read. Should be plenty for everyone to cherry-pick from to make their varying points. But largely it supports what I have asserted, that the response was realistically as timely as it could have been given the circumstances and that the relief efforts escalated quickly as the extent of the damage was truly assessed.

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/res...s-next-to-haiti-actions-1.490502#.WdQFyVtSxhE

"Let's make this clear - this is an operation of the government of Puerto Rico," Rosselló said. "We set the priorities. . . . We are taking action, and there are results."

Rosselló said the island's geographical challenges - everything must be brought in by boat or air - and the widespread communication failures have complicated relief efforts.

W. Craig Fugate, who was President Barack Obama's FEMA director for all eight years of his presidency, said that in a worst-case scenario, such as a tsunami, the federal government had long contemplated that Puerto Rico could be completely isolated, with its ports destroyed and all food and water needing to be airlifted onto the island or shuttled by marine units that could land on beaches.

Fugate said FEMA did not have to wait for a signal from Puerto Rican authorities before activating more military assets.

Two U.S. defense officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive operation, said the inability to communicate readily with Puerto Rican officials immediately after the storm delayed the response. Another limiting factor, they said, was that FEMA officials did not have a full understanding of the devastation and the challenges until Director Brock Long visited the island Monday. The next day, Long announced outside the White House that the military would deploy to Puerto Rico the 1,000-bed hospital ship USNS Comfort.

At least two other Navy ships, the USS Iwo Jima and the USS New York, responded to Hurricane Irma earlier in the month off the Florida Keys and could have been used to respond to Maria. Defense officials said they were instead sent back to Mayport, Florida, and remain in port there on prepare-to-deploy orders. They may yet be called upon to join the response.

No of course the initial response was not perfect. Anyone that expected perfection will always be disappointed. But given the circumstances it was about as effective as could have reasonably been expected.
 
Here we go, an assessment of the early response from the military perspective. There are many points of view in this one and it is an interesting read. Should be plenty for everyone to cherry-pick from to make their varying points. But largely it supports what I have asserted, that the response was realistically as timely as it could have been given the circumstances and that the relief efforts escalated quickly as the extent of the damage was truly assessed.

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/res...s-next-to-haiti-actions-1.490502#.WdQFyVtSxhE



No of course the initial response was not perfect. Anyone that expected perfection will always be disappointed. But given the circumstances it was about as effective as could have reasonably been expected.

Congrats, you created crickets. The Trump hate here is so far over the top that it makes the anti-Obama "he's a Muslim, he wasn't born here" and the Hillary Benghazi hate look tame in comparison.
 
Here we go, an assessment of the early response from the military perspective. There are many points of view in this one and it is an interesting read. Should be plenty for everyone to cherry-pick from to make their varying points. But largely it supports what I have asserted, that the response was realistically as timely as it could have been given the circumstances and that the relief efforts escalated quickly as the extent of the damage was truly assessed.

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/res...s-next-to-haiti-actions-1.490502#.WdQFyVtSxhE



No of course the initial response was not perfect. Anyone that expected perfection will always be disappointed. But given the circumstances it was about as effective as could have reasonably been expected.

To me the worst thing is not the surprise when they initially got to the island. It isn't that things were worse than they prepared for. It is the response to that surprise that has me disappointed. For example, there are still towns and what not with no outside communication. Despite the gov. giving sat phones to mayors. That it took so long to suspend the Jones Act.

The initial prep was adequate given the intel they had as far as I can tell. The adjustment to the reality has been severely wanting. There are even political reasons he could have used as his motivation. Successfully handling three large disasters in close succession would have clamed many fears about his capability. It would have made him look better on the ethnicity front. He came through for Puerto Rico when they needed it.

Instead he is cracking jokes about them messing up their budget while they are struggling to get water and power. Just a terribly bad adjustment and handling of the issue IMO.
 
The Trump hate here is so far over the top that it makes the anti-Obama "he's a Muslim, he wasn't born here" and the Hillary Benghazi hate look tame in comparison.
Cause trump is a way douchier person than obama or hillary. So it makes sense.

Oh, and it isn't just "here" btw. It's worldwide baby!
 
Cause trump is a way douchier person than obama or hillary. So it makes sense.

Oh, and it isn't just "here" btw. It's worldwide baby!

That's not the way I see it. Trump is not a politician, he's an *******. In general, so are politicians in their own fashion. Do you know the old saying about the world's second oldest profession?

Many in the anti-Trump crowd want a true politician, which is ironic considering that's all I tend to hear people complain about. So, now we have an ******* in chief and we want the opposite of what we've been complaining about forever. Does that help you understand the mentality of the Trump supporters? Or my extremely rare mentality of preferring career politicians over Trump types and the trash Utah has been electing lately?
 
That's not the way I see it. Trump is not a politician, he's an *******. In general, so are politicians in their own fashion. Do you know the old saying about the world's second oldest profession?

Many in the anti-Trump crowd want a true politician, which is ironic considering that's all I tend to hear people complain about. So, now we have an ******* in chief and we want the opposite of what we've been complaining about forever. Does that help you understand the mentality of the Trump supporters? Or my extremely rare mentality of preferring career politicians over Trump types and the trash Utah has been electing lately?

I hate when people talk about term limits, which is directly related to wanting non-professional politicians and directly related to Trump becoming our President.
 
That's not the way I see it. Trump is not a politician, he's an *******. In general, so are politicians in their own fashion. Do you know the old saying about the world's second oldest profession?

Many in the anti-Trump crowd want a true politician, which is ironic considering that's all I tend to hear people complain about. So, now we have an ******* in chief and we want the opposite of what we've been complaining about forever. Does that help you understand the mentality of the Trump supporters? Or my extremely rare mentality of preferring career politicians over Trump types and the trash Utah has been electing lately?

I think you are wrong.
You say many in the anti trump crowd want a true politician. Well why not ask the anti trump crowd on jazz fan why they are anti trump? Bulletproof posted recently that he doesn't care about trumps policies or political thoughts. He said that Trump could be doing everything right according to his job and yet Bulletproof would still be anti trump because he doesn't want a dispicable moronic idiot as our president.

I know I feel the same way.
I know many others who feel this way as well. And they should. Politics schmolitics. How about just having a decent, intelligent human being as president. That would suit many many Americans just fine.
 
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