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Dante Exum: shoulder injury

Cappy_Smurf said:
Lmao. What was your username? I usually remember the nut jobs, so it might bring back memories. If you don't want to admit your original name, that's ok. I'll just assume you are lying. Either way, being around for a long time doesn't add the slightest credibility to your opinion in this case. Cool story though.


I'm well aware that you have company in your erroneous conclusions. Idiots like to run in packs.
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I was Write4u and for two years in the early days, I'd write up a report of each game (of course, I was watching on NBA League Pass). But I always got out a full report before the Trib and Des News, Weenie.

I changed my name after getting into it with a bunch of DWill lovers who kept bashing AK47 and me for defending him. Yeah, AK was injury prone. He was wiry and long like Dante, a speed merchant in his early days. Like Dante, he gave away strength, especially when he played PF, which actually was his best position because of his shot-blocking ability. But the deal with DWill was that he was not involving AK in the offense and trying to take over as the leader of the team. I got sick of the arguments so I pretended to leave the site and instead changed my name. Now you seem to be one of those mean-spirited types who bashes people who don't agree with you. I am not like that unless people start to do it to me. I, for one, am on your side about Dante and hope he recovers and reaches his potential. There's no reason to bash me because I have my doubts; I'm not the only one -- if you disagree, that's your prerogative but no reason to be mean-spirited.
 
Bulletproof said:
He was Write4u or however he might have spelled that.

Guy has legit mental issues. I'm not trying to be funny or score points, the guy has legit mental issues.
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Mental issues -- I just don't like being harassed like I was way back when. People were sending me vicious PMs which were just out right violent because I dared criticize their idol, DWill. Glad a lot of those people left the site. One Brow was the guy with the mental issues. He was the creator of Aint and other Alts, which were the source of the vicious PMs and personal attacks. I got sick of it so I was able to learn his phone number and called him personally and demanded that he stop. Everyone thinks I'm crazy but you know what, they did stop.
 
JimLes said:
I'm not sure generalizing is a good way to go about this. Never mind other players and never mind other teams. The question ought to be simply should the Jazz pay Dante Exum big time money? Does the team believe he can develop into someone giving us quality minutes?
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There's also the "Haywatd factor" at work. If the Jazz believe in Dante, they should negotiate a fair deal as soon as possible in free agency. Hayward was butt-hurt by KOC telling him to go shop the market. Don't know Jazz signing him immediately, or giving him what he wanted as an extension would have changed things in Gordon's case due to his Stevens love. But loyalty begets loyalty. Jazz need to step up and show faith in Exum, or acknowledge they'll perhaps have him at the QO for a year and then he's gone. And the latter would be a giant waste of time.
 
Jack Strop said:
There's also the "Haywatd factor" at work. If the Jazz believe in Dante, they should negotiate a fair deal as soon as possible in free agency. Hayward was butt-hurt by KOC telling him to go shop the market. Don't know Jazz signing him immediately, or giving him what he wanted as an extension would have changed things in Gordon's case due to his Stevens love. But loyalty begets loyalty. Jazz need to step up and show faith in Exum, or acknowledge they'll perhaps have him at the QO for a year and then he's gone. And the latter would be a giant waste of time.
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Nah you cant run a team like that, you need to take emotion out of the decision. Hayward just has a weak character
 
JimLes said:
I'm not sure generalizing is a good way to go about this. Never mind other players and never mind other teams. The question ought to be simply should the Jazz pay Dante Exum big time money? Does the team believe he can develop into someone giving us quality minutes?
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Problem with that question is that it's impossible to know. So it can't be answered and therefore is pointless.
 
elan_prodigy said:
Nah you cant run a team like that, you need to take emotion out of the decision. Hayward just has a weak character
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I hear you. But Jack Strop wasn't talking about a situation where Dante gets a max offer. Just give him a fair deal if you believe in him. I think something like 4 yrs 28-30 sounds fair. I think Dante should sign it - even if he thinks he can still be a top tier pg. It would be great to show loyalty to the club that rehabs him twice over significant injuries and was still keen to see him progress.

He can still hit free agency as a 27 yr old and get his payday - if he deserves it.

If Dante signs the QO and bets on himself, he can't complain if it is the last NBA contract he signs.
 
vossy_3 said:
I invite you to play a game of AFL.

To make it easy for u, I'll let you line up on this bloke.

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jjcKy0sx-Ew
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I didn't click on the link - but if it was the Brisbane legend your username indicates - wow what a ferocious player he was! I'll never forget his broken leg at Subiaco way back when.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Saint Cy, winner of the 2017 semantics championships.

2 injuries, one of which a freak accident, don't constitute somebody being injury prone. Anyone who thinks it does is a moron.
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I don't think cy said that Dante was injury prone, I think he was just saying that being injury prone doesn't mean having tyne same injury over and over. Injury prone means you get injured a lot. I agree with him.

I don't think 2 injuries (like dante) constitutes injury prone.

But to say it has to be the same reoccurring injury to equal injury prone is incorrect imo. In fact I think it's quite the opposite.

Imo if you keep breaking the same wrist over and over then that would mean you have a bad wrist or that your wrist itself is injury prone.

However, if you break an ankle, then blow out your knee, then injure your hip, then dislocated a shoulder, then break your wrist..... that would signify that someone is injury prone imo.
 
We've invested too much, time and a 5th pick, on this kid. He's shown promise, and we are in no position to be that picky in Utah.

He's our talent, and he belongs here period.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No one is going to give him that offer sheet because they know the Jazz will just match it.

1. It hurts the Jazz more for him to sit in RFA for as long as possible given his cap hold
2. Teams dont want to overpay for a guy like Exum just so the Jazz wont match
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I think we are in agreement that the ball is in the Jazz court. Of course if Dante is willing to take 4-6 per year then by all means extend him but risk v reward of him entering FA seems to favor the Jazz in this situation. 9-10 million a year isn't outlandish by any stretch though.
 
fishonjazz said:
Because you have to. I think draft picks don't really negotiate contracts. It's already determined based on where you are picked or something iirc.

The question you should be asking is, Do teams pay 22 year olds who have been in the league for 4 years that have produced similarly to Dante and have had multiple major injuries, big time money?

That's the question that is relevant here I think.

I don't know the answer fwiw.
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No you shouldn't. But we have a different definition of big-time money I think. I'd have no qualms paying a guy with Exum's upside 9% of the salary cap, especially with a team option on the last year.
 
Tak said:
That guy looks more like a psychopath than an athlete.
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Ok I looked.
It's big bad bustling 'Barry Hall'. Played for my club in the second half of his career (Sydney).
He will even admit that some of his actions were thuggish and reprehensible. Exceptional footballer though....
 
Et tu Brute said:
Collingwood fan?
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Nah just happy to fight for money. Working nightclubs in Melbourne I've fought enough football players for not a lot of money, most can't fight. Hall might be a bit different, toughest bloke on that old St Kilda team was Aaron Hamill the captain, dude I knew used to be their boxing coach said most of them had no go. Whenever they'd be down the pub ****ing up we'd just talk to Hamill and watch him sort em out, they were all **** scared of him.
 
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