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Ron Mexico said:
Did you read the Snopes link about this? It explained all of the issues from that video in that article.
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Yeah, I read it. I don't discount it completely. Again, the point I'm making is sometimes the conspiracies are based off of some pretty believable things. Even a US Army Major General says a missle hit the Pentagon along with tons of other experts relating to 747s.

I used to make fun of people that said 9/11 is a conspiracy. Then I did a lot of research on it and have pretty much concluded that what the government has told us about it isn't 100% the truth. That said, I'm not sure what is, but way too many things don't add up (that's the opinions of tons of experts on it too.)
 
Paper_McGibblets said:
Yeah, I read it. I don't discount it completely. Again, the point I'm making is sometimes the conspiracies are based off of some pretty believable things. Even a US Army Major General says a missle hit the Pentagon along with tons of other experts relating to 747s.

I used to make fun of people that said 9/11 is a conspiracy. Then I did a lot of research on it and have pretty much concluded that what the government has told us about it isn't 100% the truth. That said, I'm not sure what is, but way too many things don't add up (that's the opinions of tons of experts on it too.)
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The facts are pretty obvious that a Boeing plane hit the Pentagon. If you have really researched it there is a ton of very hard evidence now that proves it was a plane without much doubt. I am sure the government has not released everything they know and maybe have been less than 100% up front about everything. But we do know for a fact that a Jetliner hit the pentagon that day. I mean back then maybe it made sense to have doubts but there is video evidence of it now.
 
Ron Mexico said:
The facts are pretty obvious that a Boeing plane hit the Pentagon. If you have really researched it there is a ton of very hard evidence now that proves it was a plane without much doubt. I am sure the government has not released everything they know and maybe have been less than 100% up front about everything. But we do know for a fact that a Jetliner hit the pentagon that day. I mean back then maybe it made sense to have doubts but there is video evidence of it now.
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Can you provide me with a link of the video evidence and large plane debris that was found at the crash site?
 
 
Paper_McGibblets said:
Which one has the video?
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Whatreallyhappened has the video of the plane before it happens above the pentagon and the video of the plane from the security camera at the pentagon. Though they dont do the best video analysis of it but its out there if you google for it. The others could have the video in it I dont remember.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Whatreallyhappened has the video of the plane before it happens above the pentagon and the video of the plane from the security camera at the pentagon. Though they dont do the best video analysis of it but its out there if you google for it. The others could have the video in it I dont remember.
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You realize the gif that shows the tiny, blurry plane on there is fake, right?
 
Paper_McGibblets said:
You realize the gif that shows the tiny, blurry plane on there is fake, right?
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Nope, have not looked into it in awhile. But the peer reviewed independent researched scientific journal articles on it with independent eye witnesses, detailed explanation of the entire event, landing details of the plane matching the witnesses description, video of the plane, phone calls from people on the plane, pieces from the plane captured in photos did convince me awhile ago. Every theory has been pretty well disproven.

I'm not particularly interested in looking into it more, every point in that video you posted has been very well refuted by lots of good sources.

But I'll look into the video more for your sake. Can you post the source for it being fake?
 
Ron Mexico said:
Did you read the Snopes link about this? It explained all of the issues from that video in that article.

You do also know that there are a lot of witnesses and all of their stories independently collaborate that they saw a large plane and not a jet or military plane. A lot of them are independent sources.
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omg the arbitrator of truth snopes has spoken!


/thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
If American Airlines Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, then you have to explain what happened to the plane and the 64 passengers on board. This is the trouble with many conspiracy theiries. It's the irrational elements one is forced to admit in order for the theories to stand. Where did the plane go? Are the passengers still alive somewhere, being held captive? These loose ends appear in many conspiracy theories. Take the moon landing. You have to count on everybody keeping their mouths shut that it was really shot in a studio. Many of these conspiracy theories are cumbersome in that aspect. They depend on many people taking secrets to their graves. The more people that exist that could possibly spill the beans regarding the "truth", in this case that it was not a plane, the less likely such a conspiracy can be maintained....
 
Red said:
If American Airlines Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, then you have to explain what happened to the plane and the 64 passengers on board. This is the trouble with many conspiracy theiries. It's the irrational elements one is forced to admit in order for the theories to stand. Where did the plane go? Are the passengers still alive somewhere, being held captive? These loose ends appear in many conspiracy theories. Take the moon landing. You have to count on everybody keeping their mouths shut that it was really shot in a studio. Many of these conspiracy theories are cumbersome in that aspect. They depend on many people taking secrets to their graves. The more people that exist that could possibly spill the beans regarding the "truth", in this case that it was not a plane, the less likely such a conspiracy can be maintained....
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I can't explain what happened to the airplane just like I can't explain everything from this article that should not be discredited.
https://consciouslifenews.com/911-p...gon-major-general-albert-stubblebine/1145271/
 
Wow this took a turn into a bizarre new world. Are mass shooting still happening in the US? i thought we solved this last week?
 
Rubashov said:
Wow this took a turn into a bizarre new world. Are mass shooting still happening in the US? i thought we solved this last week?
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well Las Vegas is full of artificiality so perhaps it's normal to think the shooting was just part of the whole artificial environment

and once Trump aces that IQ test he's gonna take, we'll all be on board to declare him the greatest president ever and let him do whatever he wants
 
moevillini said:
well Las Vegas is full of artificiality so perhaps it's normal to think the shooting was just part of the whole artificial environment

and once Trump aces that IQ test he's gonna take, we'll all be on board to declare him the greatest president ever and let him do whatever he wants
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I've heard about this! I believe it involves grabbing women in their private areas. Maybe if i become a much worse person(hard to believe its possible) i may one day be elected to high office.
 
Red said:
If American Airlines Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, then you have to explain what happened to the plane and the 64 passengers on board. This is the trouble with many conspiracy theiries. It's the irrational elements one is forced to admit in order for the theories to stand. Where did the plane go? Are the passengers still alive somewhere, being held captive? These loose ends appear in many conspiracy theories. Take the moon landing. You have to count on everybody keeping their mouths shut that it was really shot in a studio. Many of these conspiracy theories are cumbersome in that aspect. They depend on many people taking secrets to their graves. The more people that exist that could possibly spill the beans regarding the "truth", in this case that it was not a plane, the less likely such a conspiracy can be maintained....
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Paper_McGibblets said:
I can't explain what happened to the airplane just like I can't explain everything from this article that should not be discredited.
https://consciouslifenews.com/911-p...gon-major-general-albert-stubblebine/1145271/
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Well you also have to explain the airplane wreckage plainly visible near the Pentagon from multiple sources after the crash. You also have to explain hundreds of eye witnesses. You also have to explain the giant skid mark on the ground just before the impact on the building, etc etc. I mean GF hit it on the head when he pointed out that these kinds of things would require literally THOUSANDS, if not more, who are complicit and keep their mouths shut forever, which would be deliciously ironic since most conspiracy theorists base a lot of their theories on small leaks of information because people simply cannot keep their mouths shut.
 
Paper_McGibblets said:
I can't explain what happened to the airplane just like I can't explain everything from this article that should not be discredited.
https://consciouslifenews.com/911-p...gon-major-general-albert-stubblebine/1145271/
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Ok so I checked this out. It loses me before this, but really here is where it ends for me:

8:30 “Well there was something wrong. And, so I analyzed it not just photographically, I did measurements… I checked the plane, the length of the nose, where the wings were… I took measurements of the Pentagon – the depth of the destruction in the Pentagon.”

9:05 “Conclusion: airplane did not make that hole.”
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So did he go to the site? Did he dig through the rubble to ascertain the depth of the penetration on the building? Was he there during demolition and construction to gain an understanding of the depth of the impact? Is he fully versed on all of the safety and security features of the Pentagon and the building construction, considering some of it was added as recently as just a few years before the attack? Does he understand the engineering aspect of the construction of the building thoroughly enough that he can accurately gauge the impact any aircraft, let alone of this specific airplane at exactly this speed and angle of impact? Did he walk the grounds to identify all the smaller things, such as wing-tip marks in the grass or the length and depth of the first impact, which was in front of the building, or the exact nature, position, and condition of all debris at the impact site?

Or did he just take the picture provided him through media outlets and make his best guesses like everyone else did?
 
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