Ben Shapiro

[Stoked]

I get a real kick out of the idea that even though blacks in America were cut out of the economic system from the 1600's through the 1950's but we're all good now and the only racism we have to worry about is individuals. Jim Crow isn't even outside living memory and we're supposed to believe everything is fine and dandy. Come on.

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Fine and dandy, no. Still plenty of areas to focus on though. However, it is not this rigged system designed to hold them down either.
But it has gotten to the point that a lot of people tune out cries of "racist" because it is cried over everything. Boy who cried wolf scenario I believe. Which is unfortunate for a lot of reasons.

But yes, problems exist. For example the punishments over marijuana when viewed through prisms of ethnicity and wealth.

 

[Zombie]

Fine and dandy, no. Still plenty of areas to focus on though. However, it is not this rigged system designed to hold them down either.
But it has gotten to the point that a lot of people tune out cries of "racist" because it is cried over everything. Boy who cried wolf scenario I believe. Which is unfortunate for a lot of reasons.

But yes, problems exist. For example the punishments over marijuana when viewed through prisms of ethnicity and wealth.

I agree in the sense that for the most part the system isn't purposefully rigged, but there is still systemic racial injustice. Here's an example, Nixon started the war on drugs in part to go after black activists. An advisor of his admitted as much.

The war on drugs is still alive and well in 2017, and the effects are still disproportionately hurting minority communities. Does this mean that I think the people running the show today are racist? No, but they are still perpetuating a racist system.

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[Ron Mexico]

Name one institution that's inherently racist and the evidence to support that claim in 2017. You'll be able to find individual cases of rascism and corruption like the Baltimore PD, but the idea that the government and other institutions are run in a racist way from the top, is a false narrative. Yes, the US has a history of institutional rascism, but as we've evolved as a country, it's not like that any more.

I've posted them many times on here. I could post them again but it seems pointless. The data is overwhelming and all leads to racism being pervasive in our society. Most people are racist. Not in the, I hate such and such group. But they make mostly subconscious stereotypes about people because of their race and it hurts groups.


Racism is very easy to see everywhere unless you choose to ignore it. Which is much easier to do if you are white.

 

[DutchJazzer]

No it is not. The assholes you are talking about are not exclusive to either side of the right/left dynamic.

Stop posting obvious crap.

Also if you want to avoid further infractions and as a result bans, tone down your rhetoric, stop flooding threads with the same senseless drivel and actually hold decent conversations.

You're not some beacon of truth, you're a blowhard troll.

that was sarcasm, both side have racist/, rapist murders corrupt individuals stupid people etc. it was just sarcastic. sorry it did not come trough

 

[DutchJazzer]

I get a real kick out of the idea that even though blacks in America were cut out of the economic system from the 1600's through the 1950's but we're all good now and the only racism we have to worry about is individuals. Jim Crow isn't even outside living memory and we're supposed to believe everything is fine and dandy. Come on.

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and which party did most damage to african americas from the 1600 to 1950's?

 

[Red]

Dalamon's anti-American, liberal biased rantings got old a long time ago.

The politicized version of reactionary being applied strictly to conservatives afraid of change is clearly stupid logic (although there is merit there if you accept the definition). Both sides are reactionary and if anything the alt-left has been more reactionary in recent years.

The term Alt Right is fairly new, and I believed it was actually coined by white nationalist Richard Spencer. Somebody can correct me if that attribution is incorrect. At the moment, Alt Right seems to be an umbrella term for white nationalists, white supremacists, and Neo Nazis. I don't see that as at all synonymous with all conservatives or anybody who is politically or socially right of center, but rather those who are extreme right. I think if the term Alt Left comes into vogue, and I'm not sure it is at the level of general usage as Alt Right is, it perhaps should be applied to Antifa and Anarchists, which would be on the extreme left, and not synonymous with people whose political and social views are left of center, or liberals. Not saying you are using Alt Left to denote liberals, not saying that at all. It's just that I have not seen descriptions of Alt Left the way I have Alt Right, and I'm just suggesting how they might be defined. If Alt Left is in general usage now, and is described differently, I'm open to be educated.

 

[Red]

Somebody asked which party did the most damage to African Americans from 1600-1950's. I guess somebody does not know the history of the United States very well, and I guess I'm not too surprised. There was no Democratic Party in 1600. There was no Republican Party in 1600. There was no United States in 1600. Our colonial era had slavery, obviously. I live a stone's throw from what was a center of the infamous triangular trade, and the largest slave trading port in the Americas. Newport, RI. And our early national history, once we gained independence from Great Britain, included several political parties that no longer exist.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I have some of the same fears. I see it in my daughter and her friends (she is 16). They have arguments that blow my mind due to the amount of pure misinformation they all spew as "fact" and on serious topics like racism, science, gender identity, etc. etc. I have always encouraged my kids to seek the truth from solid sources, but the solid sources are harder to find in a sea of look-alikes that slant and skew the "facts" to fit an agenda. Even in the realm of science the pressure to get the next grant and get published and the control that publications wield is a mine-field waiting to blow up, and it becomes more and more difficult to ascertain what is real, what is fact, and what is safe and what is dangerous. I am not a dooms-day prophet believer by any stretch, but where this is headed is much closer to chaos discord and witch-huntery than it is unity and agreement and mutual benefit. It is more than a little frightening.

When the internet was created I thought it was going to lead to better communication and more accurate information. It seems to be leading in the opposite direction. Like so many other things, the unintended consequences seem to ultimately have a bigger impact than the intentions.

 

[Ron Mexico]

When the internet was created I thought it was going to lead to better communication and more accurate information. It seems to be leading in the opposite direction. Like so many other things, the unintended consequences seem to ultimately have a bigger impact than the intentions.

The internet has definitely led to people having more correct information and more facts.

 

[LogGrad98]

The internet has definitely led to people having more correct information and more facts.

The big question is which people and which facts? I would argue that the average Joe Schmoe has worse information and fewer actual facts than before. People who seek can definitely find more and better info, but my bet is that is the minority.

 

[Ron Mexico]

The big question is which people and which facts? I would argue that the average Joe Schmoe has worse information and fewer actual facts than before. People who seek can definitely find more and better info, but my bet is that is the minority.

I disagree. The average person looks up so much on the internet and most people find good information. False facts do float around but they get disproved much quicker now than ever. People are more skeptical of things told to them than ever since they can research it right away. Its really easy to figure out if something is false now days. Before it took quite an effort to research something. Now I can just google a fact told to me while someone is telling me. False info dies quick. Where before it could be devastating the harm lies and false information could do to a community.

Our access to good quality news is significantly better and more people are getting it.

The information available is miles ahead of what it was before the internet. I dont think its really close.

Plus IQs have risen. Although I think that is more due to people getting more education. Although there is a direct correlation between internet use and education levels.
https://ourworldindata.org/internet/

Health care and general health knowledge has significantly gone up.

The information increase in less developed counties or countries with a government that controls the media is even more overwhelming how much the internet helps.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

The internet has definitely led to people having more correct information and more facts.

It's sort of like a fact buffet. Everyone takes what they like and ignores the rest. Thriller has a completely different taste in facts than Archie, but both of them can find everything they need to sate their appetite because if there is some sort of fact they crave that doesn't exist, there is always a chef willing to mix up a special order.

 

[LogGrad98]

I disagree. The average person looks up so much on the internet and most people find good information. False facts do float around but they get disproved much quicker now than ever. People are more skeptical of things told to them than ever since they can research it right away. Its really easy to figure out if something is false now days. Before it took quite an effort to research something. Now I can just google a fact told to me while someone is telling me. False info dies quick. Where before it could be devastating the harm lies and false information could do to a community.

The information available is miles ahead of what it was before the internet. I dont think its really close.

Plus IQs have risen. Although I think that is more due to people getting more education. Although there is a direct correlation between internet use and education levels.
https://ourworldindata.org/internet/

Health care and general health knowledge has significantly gone up.

The information increase in less developed counties or countries with a government that controls the media is even more overwhelming how much the internet helps.

I think Joe is on the right track. Go check out nearly any facebook post. Everyone forwards the crap like it is the newest greatest discovery and only rarely does anyone say anything like "hey did anyone check snopes on this"? I think the average person does not go look things up. They just read, get outraged and/or smug, and forward/repost.

 

[Ron Mexico]

It's sort of like a fact buffet. Everyone takes what they like and ignores the rest. Thriller has a completely different taste in facts than Archie, but both of them can find everything they need to sate their appetite because if there is some sort of fact they crave that doesn't exist, there is always a chef willing to mix up a special order.

That has always been true. That didnt change. But now days you can find out if something told to you is false or not. Having different opinions or confirmation bias isnt a new thing. The level of knowledge has significantly increased though.

News is significantly better and much further reaching.
Health information is available to everyone at a higher level.
The list could go on for days.

I think people just dont remember how much false information got spread before the internet and that it almost never got corrected.

Companies ad campaigns greatly shaped people opinions on subjects due to their inability to research it. Now they still influence us but at a much lower level because they cant lie without people pointing it out very quickly.

Its not perfect but its much much much better.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I think Joe is on the right track. Go check out nearly any facebook post. Everyone forwards the crap like it is the newest greatest discovery and only rarely does anyone say anything like "hey did anyone check snopes on this"? I think the average person does not go look things up. They just read, get outraged and/or smug, and forward/repost.

Some do but they are in the minority. Plus what amount of articles on Facebook are lies? It is a small percentage. Most the articles and information are correct.

Almost every post on Facebook I see that post an article or information gets called out in the comments if it is not true. Comments heavily debate everything. People see both sides of the arguments now more than ever.

 

[Archie Moses]

I've posted them many times on here. I could post them again but it seems pointless. The data is overwhelming and all leads to racism being pervasive in our society. Most people are racist. Not in the, I hate such and such group. But they make mostly subconscious stereotypes about people because of their race and it hurts groups.


Racism is very easy to see everywhere unless you choose to ignore it. Which is much easier to do if you are white.

Yes, racism is every where. I just disagree with the system being inherently racist.

I haven't seen the links you posted before, but would enjoy reading them if you have a sec to point me towards what you're talking about.

 

[Archie Moses]

I get a real kick out of the idea that even though blacks in America were cut out of the economic system from the 1600's through the 1950's but we're all good now and the only racism we have to worry about is individuals. Jim Crow isn't even outside living memory and we're supposed to believe everything is fine and dandy. Come on.

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Ben Shapiro certainly doesn't feel this way. He doesn't act like racism isn't everywhere. He feels it's not to the degree the media or some liberals make it out to be.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Ben Shapiro certainly doesn't feel this way. He doesn't act like rascism isn't everywhere. He feels it's not to the degree the media or some liberals make it out to be.

That is the problem with his message. It sounds like he is preaching its okay racism isnt really that big of a deal and only a couple vocal minorities and that is incorrect. It is appealing to people who want to ignore racism or think its not affecting peoples lives that much.

I haven't seen the links you posted before, but would enjoy reading them if you have a sec to point me towards what you're talking about.

This is a pretty comprehensive report that shows that White and Black people use weed at roughly the same rate but black people are arrested for possession of it 3.73 times more. It is a study from 2001 to 2010. Clearly racism is very pervasive in the way police view black people.
https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/aclu-thewaronmarijuana-rel2.pdf

Here is one that shows black peole are given much longer sentences than white people for the same crimes.
https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/f...bmission_0.pdf

Here is some that show the racial profiling that has happened in media with drug epidemics.
https://www.cjr.org/criticism/opioid...hotos.php?link

Here is one that shows police stop black people at a higher rate than white people for traffic tickets and ticket them more often and search them more often.
https://openpolicing.stanford.edu/findings/

Here is one about police speaking more politely to white people than black people even when you control for contextual factors.
http://www.pnas.org/content/114/25/6521.abstract

Here is one of many talking about a few of the issues with crack vs cocaine laws and discrimination that targets black people unfairly.
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles...ack-sentencing

There are tons more.

It is very clear that even when you take out all other factors black people are harassed by cops more, stopped by cops more, arrested more, sentenced longer, are less likely to be released early/paroled and so on. This is just the judicial system and police system. Bank loans, being hired for a job and so on all show the same type of data.

 

[JazzGal]

The term Alt Right is fairly new, and I believed it was actually coined by white nationalist Richard Spencer. Somebody can correct me if that attribution is incorrect. At the moment, Alt Right seems to be an umbrella term for white nationalists, white supremacists, and Neo Nazis. I don't see that as at all synonymous with all conservatives or anybody who is politically or socially right of center, but rather those who are extreme right. I think if the term Alt Left comes into vogue, and I'm not sure it is at the level of general usage as Alt Right is, it perhaps should be applied to Antifa and Anarchists, which would be on the extreme left, and not synonymous with people whose political and social views are left of center, or liberals. Not saying you are using Alt Left to denote liberals, not saying that at all. It's just that I have not seen descriptions of Alt Left the way I have Alt Right, and I'm just suggesting how they might be defined. If Alt Left is in general usage now, and is described differently, I'm open to be educated.

As near as I can tell, Alt Left is a term made up by conservatives as an insult to liberals. There doesn't seem to be a group that calls themselves Alt Left.

It appears to be true that Alt Right was coined by Richard Spencer, who considers himself and his contemporaries to be Alt Right as an alternative term to White Nationalists.

Some people might call Antifa the Alt Left, but as they don't call themselves that, it is a meaningless term.

 

[Miggs]

Yes, rascism is every where. I just disagree with the system being inherently rascist.

I haven't seen the links you posted before, but would enjoy reading them if you have a sec to point me towards what you're talking about.

I think it's spelled rascisicism.