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Woman, mistaken for a deer, is shot and killed by a "hunter"

MVP said:
So 2/3 of Congress. So again, it is possible. If people start demanding it those who are elected by people would have no choice but to change it.
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It is possible, but highly unlikely. If after all of our mass shootings we cannot get 2/3rds of Congress and the country as a whole to want to change the Constitution, I do not foresee a time when it will happen. We have accepted all of the gun deaths as the price we pay to freely own guns. It makes me ill, but it is what it is.
 
JazzGal said:
It is possible, but highly unlikely. If after all of our mass shootings we cannot get 2/3rds of Congress and the country as a whole to want to change the Constitution, I do not foresee a time when it will happen. We have accepted all of the gun deaths as the price we pay to freely own guns. It makes me ill, but it is what it is.
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Not to jump off topic, but the same argument could be made for alcohol and deaths related to it.

https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/alcohol.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

The number of drunk driving deaths each year in this country is similar to the number of gun related homicides every year, and the number of gun related homicides pales in comparison when you add the number of other alcohol related deaths.

After the passing of the 21st Amendment, alcohol received some constitutional protection (at least on a Federal level). I don't see a blanket prohibition ever happening again, just as I don't see it with guns, but I never understood that slap on the wrist people can get for a DUI, and in most states a DUI is a DUI, so a .08 conviction is the same as a .30 as far as a first time penalty. It makes me ill, but it is what it is.

A lot of people like to point out that other countries with strict gun laws or bans on guns have fewer gun deaths, etc. etc.

How about this? 31% of road related deaths in the U.S. are from drunk driving where .08 is the required Federal standard (states can be more strict, but will lose a ton of federal funding if they set the number above .08). In Germany for example, only 9% of road related deaths are related to alcohol where the legal limit is .05.
 
JAZZGASM said:
Not to jump off topic, but the same argument could be made for alcohol and deaths related to it.

https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/alcohol.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

The number of drunk driving deaths each year in this country is similar to the number of gun related homicides every year, and the number of gun related homicides pales in comparison when you add the number of other alcohol related deaths.

After the passing of the 21st Amendment, alcohol received some constitutional protection (at least on a Federal level). I don't see a blanket prohibition ever happening again, just as I don't see it with guns, but I never understood that slap on the wrist people can get for a DUI, and in most states a DUI is a DUI, so a .08 conviction is the same as a .30 as far as a first time penalty. It makes me ill, but it is what it is.

A lot of people like to point out that other countries with strict gun laws or bans on guns have fewer gun deaths, etc. etc.

How about this? 31% of road related deaths in the U.S. are from drunk driving where .08 is the required Federal standard (states can be more strict, but will lose a ton of federal funding if they set the number above .08). In Germany for example, only 9% of road related deaths are related to alcohol where the legal limit is .05.
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not to mention guns are far more important than recreational alcohol!
 
JAZZGASM said:
Not to jump off topic, but the same argument could be made for alcohol and deaths related to it.

https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/alcohol.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

The number of drunk driving deaths each year in this country is similar to the number of gun related homicides every year, and the number of gun related homicides pales in comparison when you add the number of other alcohol related deaths.

After the passing of the 21st Amendment, alcohol received some constitutional protection (at least on a Federal level). I don't see a blanket prohibition ever happening again, just as I don't see it with guns, but I never understood that slap on the wrist people can get for a DUI, and in most states a DUI is a DUI, so a .08 conviction is the same as a .30 as far as a first time penalty. It makes me ill, but it is what it is.

A lot of people like to point out that other countries with strict gun laws or bans on guns have fewer gun deaths, etc. etc.

How about this? 31% of road related deaths in the U.S. are from drunk driving where .08 is the required Federal standard (states can be more strict, but will lose a ton of federal funding if they set the number above .08). In Germany for example, only 9% of road related deaths are related to alcohol where the legal limit is .05.
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Yeah, I'm not a big fan of drinking and driving either. But it is pretty rare that a drunk driver kills dozens of people at a time. Also, it is pretty rare that a drunk driver actually intends to kill others. Also, I see ads and many types of programs aimed at curbing drunk driving, and much research and studies done about how to curtail drunk driving. These have been working as the rates have been declining.

I do not recall seeing advertising about gun safety and violence, nor will the government fund studies about gun violence. Instead, we fight against anything that might be done to decrease the rates of such occurrences.
 
JazzGal said:
I do not recall seeing advertising about gun safety and violence, nor will the government fund studies about gun violence. Instead, we fight against anything that might be done to decrease the rates of such occurrences.
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because those gun studies conclude racist stuff! like kids from single parent household are more likely to commit gun violence! since majority of black households are single parents. it can be interpreted as racist study!

those studies would also conclude that guns are not the cause of the problem! but a range of other factors. imncluding people like red and thriller idolizing and memorizing a recently dead serial killer named charlton meenson or some lame as name like that! we sensationalize scum of the earth
 
JazzGal said:
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of drinking and driving either. But it is pretty rare that a drunk driver kills dozens of people at a time.
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Killing one person driving drunk or severely injuring an entire family is no worse than someone killing with a gun. Nor is texting and driving deaths, which are so blatantly irresponsible manslaughter that responsible gun owners should be proud of our tradition of teaching and preaching proper gun safety.

Most who don't like guns are simply not familiar with them just like teenage drivers are scared of the steering wheel. In comparison, gun safety is actually very simple to teach and easy to grasp. We hand the keys over to a 15 year old and have them drive around in traffic and don't think anything of it; we give that kid access to a gun that she knows how to operate safely and everybody freaks out.
 
Also, I've had to use my firearm for family protection on 3 occasions during the last year. The last was Thanksgiving evening. I'm thankful for the ability to protect my family.
 
franklin said:
Also, I've had to use my firearm for family protection on 3 occasions during the last year. The last was Thanksgiving evening. I'm thankful for the ability to protect my family.
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when was the last time you had to use your bottle of scotch to protect your family?
 
franklin said:
Killing one person driving drunk or severely injuring an entire family is no worse than someone killing with a gun. Nor is texting and driving deaths, which are so blatantly irresponsible manslaughter that responsible gun owners should be proud of our tradition of teaching and preaching proper gun safety.

Most who don't like guns are simply not familiar with them just like teenage drivers are scared of the steering wheel. In comparison, gun safety is actually very simple to teach and easy to grasp. We hand the keys over to a 15 year old and have them drive around in traffic and don't think anything of it; we give that kid access to a gun that she knows how to operate safely and everybody freaks out.
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funny thing is i learned to use a small caliber rifle at age 6. by the time i was 16. i was far more dangerous driving a car than having a 357 magnum in my hands!

why i look back at the stupid **** i did in traffic when i was 16-21. it is a miracle i got nobody killed. their where a few close calls, a lot of irresponsible moments!

with the gun i never got in close calls with someone who was not a criminal
 
franklin said:
Also, I've had to use my firearm for family protection on 3 occasions during the last year. The last was Thanksgiving evening. I'm thankful for the ability to protect my family.
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I think I speak for the majority here when I say this: please expand!
 
franklin said:
Also, I've had to use my firearm for family protection on 3 occasions during the last year. The last was Thanksgiving evening. I'm thankful for the ability to protect my family.
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*Throws Flag*

Bull ****. 15 yard penalty. Repeat post.
 
bigb said:
I think I speak for the majority here when I say this: please expand!
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The first was a home break in at 4:00 a.m. where someone attempted to steal my TV. Luckily, my children were all sleeping in my room or I would have had to gone out blazing. Instead, I was able to listen and watch for shadows under the door until I could wake up enough to get my wits about me. My youngest woke up crying and it scared the perp off. Lucky for him because I was just about to head out and not ask any questions.

The second I can't write about, but I had to sleep next to a gun for a month, which I hate to do. My wife kept it on top of the fridge when I was gone to work and anytime we left it came with us. We had doors barricaded and everything.

Thanksgiving was a minor incident. My garage door was glitching when it got down to 6-8 inches, and was open when we got home from dinner. The problem was that the light was on, which isn't normal. So I had to sweep the house while my family stayed outside in the car. I was happy to have a gun to do that safely.
 
franklin said:
The first was a home break in at 4:00 a.m. where someone attempted to steal my TV. Luckily, my children were all sleeping in my room or I would have had to gone out blazing. Instead, I was able to listen and watch for shadows under the door until I could wake up enough to get my wits about me. My youngest woke up crying and it scared the perp off. Lucky for him because I was just about to head out and not ask any questions.

The second I can't write about, but I had to sleep next to a gun for a month, which I hate to do. My wife kept it on top of the fridge when I was gone to work and anytime we left it came with us. We had doors barricaded and everything.

Thanksgiving was a minor incident. My garage door was glitching when it got down to 6-8 inches, and was open when we got home from dinner. The problem was that the light was on, which isn't normal. So I had to sweep the house while my family stayed outside in the car. I was happy to have a gun to do that safely.
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Perhaps it is time to move out of Gotham then!
 
I had 1 incident where I pulled my weapon in what I thought was self defense.

Middle off the night I was woken up by my dog Nana (half Lab half Rottweiler) growling and nudging my hand. Just when I came to I heard a loud bang and that made me leap right out of bed and woke my wife up. I tore into my safe and pulled my bedside firearm (in a locked safe). Told my wife to be ready to call 911 at the first sign of trouble. I then quietly opened my bedroom door. Across the hall are the kids bedrooms. I snuck into the hall and cleared their bathroom first as it would be the only room behind me. Then I cleared all the kids rooms and exited my hallway, ahead to the right is the front door and living room, straight ahead is the stairs to the basement and ahead to the left is the back door, family room and onto the dinning room, garage and kitchen.

Front door is closed but to the left the back door is wide open. At this point my adrenaline is through the roof and my Rot senses this and starts to bark. I have my weapon drawn and 1 in the chamber. I proceed to clear the house at gun point with my Rotlab by my side. I am fully prepared to shoot and my nervous as hell. I am very familiar with my weapon but this is the first time I have pulled with intent to use on a person. Ultimately I find nothing and my wife and I deduced that the back door wasn't locked at night and sometimes the wind will blow it open if not closed properly. It was very windy that night.

I close, lock and double check the back door and the rest of the house. Put the dog into the first kids bedroom as the other rooms are behind it and open all their doors and mine. Took me probably 2 hours to get back to sleep. I have never been so tense and worked up.

After wards my wife and I talked about it and decided that next time I will secure up to the hallway as all the bedrooms will be behind me and we call 911 and wait for the police. That is what we should have done. It's easy to talk a big game but when the moment comes and you truly believe you are at a possible life or death moment for you and your loved ones the truth is you're scared as hell and trying not to panic. And I still made a silly decision that could have cost me my life if n intruder had indeed been in the home. No guarantee that I get the drop on them. Especially since I am probably the only one moving and making noise.
 
Stoked said:
It's easy to talk a big game but when the moment comes and you truly believe you are at a possible life or death moment for you and your loved ones the truth is you're scared as hell and trying not to panic. And I still made a silly decision that could have cost me my life if n intruder had indeed been in the home. No guarantee that I get the drop on them. Especially since I am probably the only one moving and making noise.
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I'm actually uncharacteristically stoic in this circumstance. I've internalized premeditation of evils and simply get the job done. My hands don't even shake, which they would in a confrontation out of the house. But afterward, hell yeah, that adrenaline kept me up all night too.

Being mentally prepared for situations like this is a whole lot harder than most people expect. I grew up practicing CPR in Boy Scouts, but I still panicked just a slight bit the first time I had to really do it. The next time was much easier.
 
Stoked said:
I had 1 incident where I pulled my weapon in what I thought was self defense.

Middle off the night I was woken up by my dog Nana (half Lab half Rottweiler) growling and nudging my hand. Just when I came to I heard a loud bang and that made me leap right out of bed and woke my wife up. I tore into my safe and pulled my bedside firearm (in a locked safe). Told my wife to be ready to call 911 at the first sign of trouble. I then quietly opened my bedroom door. Across the hall are the kids bedrooms. I snuck into the hall and cleared their bathroom first as it would be the only room behind me. Then I cleared all the kids rooms and exited my hallway, ahead to the right is the front door and living room, straight ahead is the stairs to the basement and ahead to the left is the back door, family room and onto the dinning room, garage and kitchen.

Front door is closed but to the left the back door is wide open. At this point my adrenaline is through the roof and my Rot senses this and starts to bark. I have my weapon drawn and 1 in the chamber. I proceed to clear the house at gun point with my Rotlab by my side. I am fully prepared to shoot and my nervous as hell. I am very familiar with my weapon but this is the first time I have pulled with intent to use on a person. Ultimately I find nothing and my wife and I deduced that the back door wasn't locked at night and sometimes the wind will blow it open if not closed properly. It was very windy that night.

I close, lock and double check the back door and the rest of the house. Put the dog into the first kids bedroom as the other rooms are behind it and open all their doors and mine. Took me probably 2 hours to get back to sleep. I have never been so tense and worked up.

After wards my wife and I talked about it and decided that next time I will secure up to the hallway as all the bedrooms will be behind me and we call 911 and wait for the police. That is what we should have done. It's easy to talk a big game but when the moment comes and you truly believe you are at a possible life or death moment for you and your loved ones the truth is you're scared as hell and trying not to panic. And I still made a silly decision that could have cost me my life if n intruder had indeed been in the home. No guarantee that I get the drop on them. Especially since I am probably the only one moving and making noise.
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I actually have 2 in the bedside safe. In that scenario, she takes one and gathers the kids. Unless I come down the hall saying the right word, she shoots as soon as the bedroom door opens. Of course, she’s already dialed 911. I take the other to clear the house. I pray we are never in that scenario.
 
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