Chad Feldheimer
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Jason Terry 2.0 which isn't a horrible thing. But I would hope you do a little better with a top 3 pick.
Enes Kanter or Brandon Knight?
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Jason Terry 2.0 which isn't a horrible thing. But I would hope you do a little better with a top 3 pick.
Dude isn't Knight 18? His skills will continue to come and develop. Dwill played 3 years of college ball, Paul played 2, Felton play 3 I think. I think Knight has what it takes to grow into a top 5 pg, just give him another 2-3 years! The man will be awesome. If Kanter comes in at a legit 6ft 11in i'd then give him more thought. If not i'd be preping for the future and adding depth to the pg spot with KNight!
Terry is probably Dallas 2nd best player...I'd be extremely happy with a taller Jason Terry 2.0
I don't know about top 5, because he lacks the elite PG skills or elite athletic ability I think he takes to be top 5, but top 10 for sure. I see him as Chauncey Billups with his already impressive shooting ability and clutchness. Just has to clean up shot selection.
Gyp Rosetti
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Obviously you missed the part where I stated that his frosh assist numbers are worse than any other major point guard now playing in the NBA DURING THEIR FROSH YEAR.
Gyp Rosetti
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Why do people love Knight? Because he is a winner and extremely young ...So is Kanter
Because people still feel a void left by Deron that Devon's yet to fill? Partially, yes
That's all I can figure because Knight has about as many point guard skills as Devon Harris. He is still young, we could possibly mold him into more of a PG
His freshman assist numbers are worse than any major point guard now playing in the NBA had during their freshman year in college. Deron Williams...Try again. Williams assist rate was better than Knight's. What's worse is that Deron had to compete with Dee Brown and Head for the ball. What other wings did Knight really have to defer to?
He's a combo guard who can shoot. A combo guard lacking true point guard skills, lacking an NBA frame, lacking elite athleticism beyond his speed. He is only 18.5 years old, his body will fill out more. Also, Jason Terry is playing a huge role on a playoff team right now as a combo guard who lacks true PG skills...That's an example of one player...great maybe he turns into a chucker but does he have any skills beyond that? Hell, at least Terry's body, though lean, is filled out, and he can penetrate.
Sorry but I don't see his body filling out and I don't see him becoming a true point guard. Doesn't need to be a true PG
Kanter on the other hand has shown massive amounts of skill, an NBA frame, and is fairly athletic for his size. Oh please, stop being so hung up on his one great performance.Oh please stop telling me what I'm hung up on. He also dominated the Jordan Brand Classic. He also played in a tough *** league at 16 and was worldly. There's also quote after quote by stud collegiate players and NBA players who tell you how sick the kid is. Heck, the tape is insane. And I'm not talking about his shooting drills or one-on-none dunk drills. One has to be able to see through that. I'm talking about game action in which he exhibits sick moves for anyone that size, let alone at the age of 18.
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Because people still feel a void left by Deron that Devon's yet to fill? Partially, yes
That's all I can figure because Knight has about as many point guard skills as Devon Harris. He is still young, we could possibly mold him into more of a PG
His freshman assist numbers are worse than any major point guard now playing in the NBA had during their freshman year in college. Deron Williams...Try again. Williams assist rate was better than Knight's. What's worse is that Deron had to compete with Dee Brown and Head for the ball. What other wings did Knight really have to defer to?
He's a combo guard who can shoot. A combo guard lacking true point guard skills, lacking an NBA frame, lacking elite athleticism beyond his speed. He is only 18.5 years old, his body will fill out more. Also, Jason Terry is playing a huge role on a playoff team right now as a combo guard who lacks true PG skills...That's an example of one player...great maybe he turns into a chucker but does he have any skills beyond that? Hell, at least Terry's body, though lean, is filled out, and he can penetrate.
Sorry but I don't see his body filling out and I don't see him becoming a true point guard. Doesn't need to be a true PG
Kanter on the other hand has shown massive amounts of skill, an NBA frame, and is fairly athletic for his size. Oh please, stop being so hung up on his one great performance.Oh please stop telling me what I'm hung up on. He also dominated the Jordan Brand Classic. He also played in a tough *** league at 16 and was worldly. There's also quote after quote by stud collegiate players and NBA players who tell you how sick the kid is. Heck, the tape is insane. And I'm not talking about his shooting drills or one-on-none dunk drills. One has to be able to see through that. I'm talking about game action in which he exhibits sick moves for anyone that size, let alone at the age of 18.
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Kanter fans are the 2nd most annoying people, only topped by The Bogut fan from years back.
margodydek
Well-Known Member
I would rather have ***** (rhymes with weenus) cancer than miss out on Enes Kanter.
Gyp Rosetti
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I honestly think the majority of people who want Knight on here are blinded by the success of Williams, Paul, Rose, Rondo, Westbrook, and other young points and think it's some foregone conclusion that Knight will be the next in line. I hate to tell you but there can only be so many great point guards and Knight has not shown the skill or athleticism that each of the aforementioned players have. Great, he can shoot better than Rondo and Westbrook. But that's about it.
You pick Kanter and then field trade offers if you want Knight that badly. 'Cause Knight won't go #4 to Cleveland if they've selected Irving and the chances that he goes to Toronto are probably around 30% given their many greater needs and lack of size up front. Next in line is Washington at #6 and he'd obviously be redundant there. For me, from #7 down is where he could go if we don't take him. That said, you draft the BPA in Kanter and if Cleveland at #4, Toronto at #5 or Washington at #6 shows interest which they very well might, you trade one of them Kanter and draft Knight in their slot, picking up additional pick(s) and/or cap space in the process. I would try to get a future unrestricted 1st from any of those teams which seems like a lot (and is for Cleveland and probably Toronto too but maybe not Washington) but think back to what we had to unload to move up three spots for Deron. If that doesn't work, go for a protected 1st. Washington also has the 18th pick this year. The 6th to get Knight, 12th to get Biyombo and 18th to get Singleton would be a hell of a draft.
You pick Kanter and then field trade offers if you want Knight that badly. 'Cause Knight won't go #4 to Cleveland if they've selected Irving and the chances that he goes to Toronto are probably around 30% given their many greater needs and lack of size up front. Next in line is Washington at #6 and he'd obviously be redundant there. For me, from #7 down is where he could go if we don't take him. That said, you draft the BPA in Kanter and if Cleveland at #4, Toronto at #5 or Washington at #6 shows interest which they very well might, you trade one of them Kanter and draft Knight in their slot, picking up additional pick(s) and/or cap space in the process. I would try to get a future unrestricted 1st from any of those teams which seems like a lot (and is for Cleveland and probably Toronto too but maybe not Washington) but think back to what we had to unload to move up three spots for Deron. If that doesn't work, go for a protected 1st. Washington also has the 18th pick this year. The 6th to get Knight, 12th to get Biyombo and 18th to get Singleton would be a hell of a draft.
Not true at all:
Kidd: 7.7
Felton: 6.7
Augustin: 6.7
Wall: 6.5
Lawson: 6.5
Nelson: 6.5
Conley: 6.1
Paul: 5.9
Rose: 4.7
Dwill: 4.5
Evans: 3.9
Holiday: 3.7
Rondo: 3.5
Curry: 2.8
Teague: 2.5
Collison: 2.3
Nash: 2.2
Harris: 1.8
Westbrook: .7/4.3 Sophomore year
The highlighted players are the very best of the best or up and coming point guards, but all of these players are among the top 20-25 point guards in the league (I guess excluding Evans now). These are all of their freshman assist numbers. Knight is at 4.2, right in the middle of that group. He was the go to scorer on his team, improved tremendously over the course of the year and became a leader. I'm not saying he's better than Kanter or ever will be, and he's absolutely a reach at 3, but not in this draft. I'm completely split on Kanter/Knight right now, but I'd obviously lean toward Knight unless we can move Sap and give Kanter the nod over Memo.
This kid is a point guard. His turnover numbers are a little alarming, I agree, but he stepped it up big time at the end of the year and got a lot of unearned turnovers due to the inexperience around him (not excusing him at all). I think a lot of people accuse him of being a combo guard because of his size, but he plays like a point guard in the sense that he gets others involved and commands his teammates around the court. He's clutch, a proven leader, and a guy that wants to win. Chauncey Billups isn't far off, but I think he'll end up being more a "true" point guard than Chauncey.
I'm not saying I'd pick him over Kanter (yet), but in this year's draft, he's a great pickup at 3 and can very well be a franchise point guard.
He's not as athletic as Rose or Westbrook, but that doesn't make him unathletic. He's got excellent court vision and knows how to get teammates involved. He's a leader. He's clearly still raw and has a little ways to go, but he's also only 18. He may not be the next great point guard, but he has the intangibles to be VERY good.
If Kanter continues to impress at the combine and can prove that his health isn't a concern, then you can't say no to the skilled big man. However, if this happens we might just end up with Williams which would be an absolute gift from God and all of this will be irrelevant.
Zerol
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You forgot about Lakers fans...
I don't think anyone here sincerely thinks Knight is going to be a top 5 PG, I certainly don't. I think he is going to be a top 10 PG though and someone who fills 3 big needs.
1. I think he is a leader, someone who isn't afraid to take the big time shot late in a game.
2.Obviously his current best trait is shooting. Also something we desperately need to space the floor for our big men. He needs to work on shot selection, but I think given his demeanor that won't be a hard thing to change.
3.Defense, this is actually something I'm not too sure about. I've seen some sites rave about his defense, then others just call it average to above average.
All the negatives I have heard on this site about him stem from his inexperience. He is a whole year younger than most college freshman. His body will continue to mature (not saying he is ever going to be Dwill size, but it's not like the kid is weak by any stretch). He will continue to learn the PG game more and more. I believe being drafted by a team like Utah is the best case scenario for his development. He doesn't have to start right away and can learn from an already established PG and from a coach who had a hand in coaching Deron Williams. Also, he could take counsel from Stockton much in the same way Dwill did early in his career.
1. I think he is a leader, someone who isn't afraid to take the big time shot late in a game.
2.Obviously his current best trait is shooting. Also something we desperately need to space the floor for our big men. He needs to work on shot selection, but I think given his demeanor that won't be a hard thing to change.
3.Defense, this is actually something I'm not too sure about. I've seen some sites rave about his defense, then others just call it average to above average.
All the negatives I have heard on this site about him stem from his inexperience. He is a whole year younger than most college freshman. His body will continue to mature (not saying he is ever going to be Dwill size, but it's not like the kid is weak by any stretch). He will continue to learn the PG game more and more. I believe being drafted by a team like Utah is the best case scenario for his development. He doesn't have to start right away and can learn from an already established PG and from a coach who had a hand in coaching Deron Williams. Also, he could take counsel from Stockton much in the same way Dwill did early in his career.
In fact, looking back at Chauncey's numbers, this is an excellent comparison.
Chauncey: 32.7 mpg, 19.1 ppg, 4.8 rbp, 4.9 apg, 2.9 to/pg, 1.7 a/to ratio, 41.3% from the field, 40.1% from 3, 85.4% from the line, and led his team to the round of 32 in '97.
Knight: 35.9 mpg, 17.3 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 4.2 apg, 1.3 a/to ratio, 42.3% from the field, 37.7% from 3, 79.5% from the line, and led his team to the Final 4, where they lost to the NCAA Champion Uconn Huskies in 2011.
Not bad, if you ask me.
Another thing to think about: Many mocks have us picking Alec Burks with our 12th pick. Many scouts think Burks has a strong chance of becoming someone like Brandon Roy. If these things happen, then Knight would be the perfect back court pairing to a Brandon Roy caliber SG.
This.
You pick the best player available rather than picking for needs. You pick Kanter as the BPA as a trade bait, and see who bite. Then you have the option of trading him for Knight with additional picks.
You don't pick the guy projected to be the 6th pick at #3. No way.
Y'all are acting like this it's so obvious that Kanter is better than Knight. Its not! Many mocks have Knight listed in front of Kanter. Not everyone is high on Kanter.
Only because they know Jazz is loaded with bigs and needs a PG.