Nikola Mirotic

[Handlogten's Heros]

And why is that smart guy? What is wrong with that trade idea? Please do tell...

Any trade NO makes they need to get off salary for next year... The article says they want those guys out but it also says they want Cousins back.

They might do a Thabo in and a first out if they can get off of Asik, but they can stretch Ajinca... his deal not that big.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

*Burks isnt an upgrade and he cost more $$$ than Ajinca*

 

[LoPo]

From Ryan McDonald. And my idea has Chicago getting Ajinca and not Asik because I don't think Chicago wants to pay Asik.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Any trade NO makes they need to get off salary for next year... The article says they want those guys out but it also says they want Cousins back.

They might do a Thabo in and a first out if they can get off of Asik, but they can stretch Ajinca... his deal not that big.

^This is what logical thinking looks like^

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

From Ryan McDonald. And my idea has Chicago getting Ajinca and not Asik because I don't think Chicago wants to pay Asik.

Now I know why your trade ideas suck, you get from this guy

 

[LoPo]

lmfao

So they are going to use a first round pick to get ALEC BURKS?

You should really just give up on making fake trades.

Yes, they are. New Orleans is in a very delicate time. They have 2 premiere players in the front court they desperately want to hold onto. They are dying for better wing play. The trade I proposed only adds $5 million to next year but gives them somebody other teams obviously want. Unless you think Woj is a dumbass too. If other teams are guageing interest in Burks, that means he is no longer just a salary dump.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lopo looks at other people's semi-logical trade ideas and thinks "Wait, how can I make this nonsensical and totally favor the Jazz?"

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If Minny or Portland offer a first for Niko he can still say no to the trade. He wants to be a starter or a featured player... not sure either of those scenarios allows that. Add in that both teams would likely want to dump bad salary on Chicago and I'm not sure our offer of expirings and multiple 2nds doesn't get the job done.

Minny can't really pay Niko next year so they would likely view him as a rental... unless they are trading Wiggins.

Portland will want to send Leonard in the deal and might not exercise the option on Niko next year depending on what their plans are with Nurkic.

We are in a good position here... don't overpay.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yes, they are. New Orleans is in a very delicate time. They have 2 premiere players in the front court they desperately want to hold onto. They are dying for better wing play. The trade I proposed only adds $5 million to next year but gives them somebody other teams obviously want. Unless you think Woj is a dumbass too. If other teams are guageing interest in Burks, that means he is no longer just a salary dump.

*Burks isnt better wing play*

He wouldnt play over Moore or Miller, both whom are 45% 3pt shooters. It's 2017 and first round picks are worth dudes who can maybe start and are definite rotation players. Burks is neither. Maybe if they are getting out of *both* Ajinca and Asik, but they arent doing this terrible trade just to get out of Ajinca's 5 million.

 

[LoPo]

Any trade NO makes they need to get off salary for next year... The article says they want those guys out but it also says they want Cousins back.

They might do a Thabo in and a first out if they can get off of Asik, but they can stretch Ajinca... his deal not that big.

I live in the southeast and have buddies who are season ticket holders with the Pelicans. They have to win right now in order to make the playoffs in order to keep Boogie AND Davis. Their whole franchise depends on it in their eyes.

We know Burks is limited. However, Ajinca is an anchor for them. If the Pelicans can get any additional quality wing play in place of the guys I listed, they would jump on it. Burks is a massive, massive upgrade over Ajinca.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Why wouldn't the league allow them to stretch Deng? If that provision is part of the CBA, then they can do it.
And that's certainly good news about AB and Mirotic. Give Chicago AB or expirings and a 2nd. Chicago will want more, but Utah can stand firm. Bulls have to deal him.

There is also another part of the CBA that says any move that is purely to circumvent the CBA is against the CBA... pretty damn clear that move would 100% be to circumvent the CBA.

There is more to it as well. Deng would have to agree. I'm sure the Lakers have already kicked the tires on the legality of a Deng extension and waive with the league.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

*Burks isnt better wing play*

He wouldnt play over Moore or Miller, both whom are 45% 3pt shooters. It's 2017 and first round picks are worth dudes who can maybe start and are definite rotation players. Burks is neither. Maybe if they are getting out of *both* Ajinca and Asik, but they arent doing this terrible trade just to get out of Ajinca's 5 million.

I mean also... if they would do a deal with their 1st for AB... we do that deal yesterday and then talk to Chicago later.

 

[LoPo]

New Orleans would prefer to trade Asik over Ajinca, but that contract is pretty toxic because of Asik's limitations. As for the first, New Orleans values wins right now over a first they expect to be in the 20's.

Burks isn't perfect, but he is an upgrade for them. Woj wouldn't have listed Burks in the article if Burks didn't have value.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Right now if we can trade AB for an expiring contract we should do that... I'm not sure that deal is really there.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I live in the southeast and have buddies who are season ticket holders with the Pelicans. They have to win right now in order to make the playoffs in order to keep Boogie AND Davis. Their whole franchise depends on it in their eyes.

We know Burks is limited. However, Ajinca is an anchor for them. If the Pelicans can get any additional quality wing play in place of the guys I listed, they would jump on it. Burks is a massive, massive upgrade over Ajinca.

No he isnt. Burks is just a more costly negative piece. Burks for Ajinca/Clark/Cunningham would actually raise their LT payment this year. The only way they think about doing this is if they get rid of both Ajinca and Asik.

 

[LoPo]

Right now if we can trade AB for an expiring contract we should do that... I'm not sure that deal is really there.

That's because there are hardly any expiring contracts out there which are $9-12 million. I find it highly encouraging that Woj listed Burks. If Burks was an expiring, I could see him being listed with Lou Williams as an easy target due to an expiring contract. However, Woj listing Burks leads a logical person to assume that there are franchises intrigued by Burks.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

New Orleans would prefer to trade Asik over Ajinca, but that contract is pretty toxic because of Asik's limitations. As for the first, New Orleans values wins right now over a first they expect to be in the 20's.

Burks isn't perfect, but he is an upgrade for them. Woj wouldn't have listed Burks in the article if Burks didn't have value.

Dude it's a terrible deal for them. Woj also mentioned picks aren't really out there like in year's past... so they will get a premium. I think AB for Asik and a 1st is a fair trade in a vacuum, but AB is not better than Miller or Moore... or Rondo. So he'd get Ian Clark minutes there.

Thabo and JJ for Asik and a 1st would fit much better for them... thought they would need to send some other expiring contracts back as they are close to LT territory.

 

[infection]

Who is Ryan McDonald?

In any case, I've seen somewhere that Mirotic's contract is misunderstood that he doesn't technically have a no-trade clause but something about the fact that he's on a one-year deal (as there's a team option on the second year) that it gives him veto power, but Chicago can revoke his veto power by picking up the option on his second year. I really don't know how accurate that is but can you even pick up someone's option this early?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Neither Asik or Ajina are terrible contracts. If New Orleans is actually willing to trade a first round pick, they could trade both players. They are just owed a combined 15 million next year and 3 million in 2019. A ton of teams (including the Jazz, especially if they actually wanted Burks) would be willing to do that.

However, no one is trading a first round pick to get Burks and just dump Ajinca's small *** contract.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That's because there are hardly any expiring contracts out there which are $9-12 million. I find it highly encouraging that Woj listed Burks. If Burks was an expiring, I could see him being listed with Lou Williams as an easy target due to an expiring contract. However, Woj listing Burks leads a logical person to assume that there are franchises intrigued by Burks.

He doesn't have positive value in my mind. The other names like Carroll and Bazemore he named are in the same boat. None of them are worth what they are being paid, but may be movable. Does not mean they will get something good for them.