Trade deadline: Dismiss Rubio, bring in a back court.

[Ron Mexico]

https://www.cleaningtheglass.com which filters out garbage time.

Even if we use the number from NBA.com, it's not a big difference between Johnson, Diaw, Lyles, Favors which is the point. You replace Favors at the 4 with a bad player, and the team performs at a similar level.

Favors is still better and he was very hobbled quite a bit last year obviously. I also dont think JJ nor Diaw were bad players last year. I also dont think Booker was a bad player for us.

It is quite clear with stats that Rubio is a bigger problem with our lineup than Favors and Gobert playing together. They have played together just fine even by the numbers you just posted.

Looking back at your numbers now its even more impressive that the 2 man combos of Gobert and Favors last year were the best big combos since the other ones had way more of Hayward playing with them.

 

[KqWIN]

Favors is still better and he was very hobbled quite a bit last year obviously. I also dont think JJ nor Diaw were bad players last year. I also dont think Booker was a bad player for us.

It is quite clear with stats that Rubio is a bigger problem with our lineup than Favors and Gobert playing together. They have played together just fine even by the numbers you just posted.

The point is that everyone plays fine with Hayward and Gobert. There is a wide gap in the talent level of someone like Favors and someone like Diaw or Booker. Huge gap. But at the same time, we're not that much better, if at all, with Favors on the floor instead of them. Why? Because Favors does not fit. If Favors was a fit, those lineups would be far and away better because he is a far and away better player than them.

We shouldn't be forcing players to fit together because you can get by. We should be compiling a roster where the players have synergy and the team becomes more than the sum of their parts.

This whole discussion is moot anyways because Favors has no future in Utah. There won't be any interest from either side, so there is no point to appeasing him instead of building around Gobert and Mitchell. It is a complete waste to be investing in Rubio and Favors right. A complete and utter waste.

 

[SCS]

My point is why play him then? We know he'll never be a shooter. So why bother wasting time trying to make it work? While your doing so you are stunting Mitchells growth, and ruining the chemistry of the team. It's a failure, time to move on.

Yeah Donovan Mitchell has been stunted so much by Rubio that he's putting up ROTY type numbers lol.

 

[Getting Traded]

Yeah Donovan Mitchell has been stunted so much by Rubio that he's putting up ROTY type numbers lol.

The whole team has been stunted by Rubio. Did you see the beginning of the game last night. The stink bomb took five consecutive shots, all misses, to open the game, and pretty much set the tone for the one of the worst games I have ever seen a Jazz team play. This is not the first time he has done this. Why does he keep shooting?

 

[Dafoodcoupon]

When the Jazz acquired Rubio, he had a career average of 9 assists per game. That's right! Per game! He obviously isn't the same player and is not capable of doing that now. He is currently averaging 4.8 assists per game. That is a disgrace when your main job is to distribute the basketball. He needs to go. While on the court the Jazz are ranked 26th in the league for offensive production, when off the court we are ranked 12th in the league. Math doesn't lie. Rubio needs go and we need a much better back court brought in. Do we go after Kemba, or is there another option that is valid with this current opportunity pre-deadline?

Hi, I just wanted to ask you guys if anyone can tell me how I post a new thread on this site? I can't find where to click..

 

[Getting Traded]

Hi, I just wanted to ask you guys if anyone can tell me how I post a new thread on this site? I can't find where to click..

On the page with the list of threads, look to the right near the top and you'll see a box that says, Post New Thread

 

[Dafoodcoupon]

On the page with the list of threads, look to the right near the top and you'll see a box that says, Post New Thread

Thanks man.. but I feel really stupid but I still cant find it.. I am looking at all the threads (I think) and there is no Post new.. in the right hand upper corner. Do you think you can post a link to the exact location?
(or maybe answer my question that I want to pose in a thread.. I am Swedish living in Sweden and my eleven year old is a die hard Jazz fan (even though his father is a Blazer fan since 28 yrs.. ) and he would go absolutely nuts if I could get him a Donovan jersey. There are none for kids at NBAstore.com and yet we see plenty of kids his age at their home games on League Pass wearing Donovan on their back.. If you could tell me where to look I would be forever grateful!

 

[Ron Mexico]

Thanks man.. but I feel really stupid but I still cant find it.. I am looking at all the threads (I think) and there is no Post new.. in the right hand upper corner. Do you think you can post a link to the exact location?
(or maybe answer my question that I want to pose in a thread.. I am Swedish living in Sweden and my eleven year old is a die hard Jazz fan (even though his father is a Blazer fan since 28 yrs.. ) and he would go absolutely nuts if I could get him a Donovan jersey. There are none for kids at NBAstore.com and yet we see plenty of kids his age at their home games on League Pass wearing Donovan on their back.. If you could tell me where to look I would be forever grateful!

They are pretty hard to find online. Fanzz.com had a few when I checked. The best place to get them is at the arena directly, which obviously isnt an option for you.

The other answer is to just make a custom jersey where you pick the name and number. Or possibly look into paying someone who lives in Utah to buy you one and ship it to you.

 

[yamers]

anybody got a video of rubio's 5 bricks in a row? quite possibly the funniest / worst stretch of 5mins i've ever seen in my life.

 

[gregbroncs]

Yeah Donovan Mitchell has been stunted so much by Rubio that he's putting up ROTY type numbers lol.

And since you've added another non-shooter to the court (Gobert) he has struggled. Just like he did before Gobert got hurt. Mitchell is a fantastic player. But if there is no space he becomes a jump shooter, that is not his best asset.

 

[Lakers_Slapper]

We dont play a style that results in high individual assist numbers. As much as I dislike Rubio, that has nothing to do with him.

He's a facilitator. Let's remove assists per game stats out of the discussion. I get your point. Assists per game doesn't always reflect whether a player is a good facilitator of the offence.

We dont play a style that results in high individual assist numbers. As much as I dislike Rubio, that has nothing to do with him.

Ok, maybe, for the sake of discussion, lets say that assists per game is not the stat to look at. Because you are right, that stat doesn't always reflect a players ability to facilitate the offense. But Rubio is a facilitator of the offense, as is all NBA point guards. It is their number one responsibility. To either get the ball to a player that can score, or for that point guard to put points on the board himself. Assists per game will not break down the efficiency of facilitating the offense. But there is another stat that will. Player efficiency rating. This is a stat that doesn't lie. It reflects a players per minute efficiency rating of numerous stats.
Rubio is ranked 223rd in the NBA at 12.52 PER. There are only 347 available rankings in the NBA. Rubio's on court production is horrible. The great thing about the PER stat is that coaches can use it to maximize a players on court efficiency and adjust playing time accordingly. If they are playing a guy more minutes than normal and the stat dips, it tells you that that particular player is playing max efficiency under X amount of minutes. Just because someone is coming off of the bench and has a better efficiency doesn't necessarily mean that they need more minutes. It just means that you can evaluate how many minutes to play them and extract the maximum efficiency.
Jazz players ranked higher than Rubio are
#207 Joe Ingles @ 13.03
#198 Raul Neto @13.31
#186 Jonas Jerebko @ 13.66
#153 Rodney Hook @ 14.68
#133 Alec Burks @ 15.25
#127 Ekpe Udoh @ 15.59
#107 Thabo Sefolosha @ 16.22
#90 Donovan Mitchell @ 16.99
#57 Derrick Favors @ 18.80
#37 Rudy Gobert @ 20.08

One thing about analytics, math doesn't lie.

 

[Lakers_Slapper]

Yeah Donovan Mitchell has been stunted so much by Rubio that he's putting up ROTY type numbers lol.

The thing about Rookie of the Year stats and Donovan Mitchell, or any rookie of the year caliber player is, there is no additional credit needed except to that rookie. ROTY candidates are on that platform because of their talent, work ethic and mentality towards the game of basketball. If Donovan Mitchell wins Rookie of the Year (and I believe he will) its because he is the type of player that you could put on the poorest of rosters and he will always show greatness. That goes for any TRUE ROTY candidate. Not because of Ricky Rubio. Hate to break it to you. We could have Raul Neto running the point and Donovan Mitchell would still be a ROTY candidate. It has nothing to do with Rubio or anyone else. If you have watched basketball then you can remember and look back at previous ROTY players and see that there stats stood out above and beyond and nobody put them in that seat.

 

[Lakers_Slapper]

Stats have said otherwise.



Stretching the floor has a lot more to it than that. Gobert was drawing in 2 or 3 defenders on the pick and roll last year. It really opened up the court a lot. It does matter if Favors man leaves him because then Gobert can pass over to him for an easy dunk or mid range shot. Favors also stretches the floor with shooting, he shoots the mid range decent enough that guys step out on him. He also can open the court in pick and roll.



Our offense has been good with them together this year when Mitchell, Burks or Neto is at PG.

It is kind of a moot point though since Favors is gone soon.

Favors can stretch the D to a mild degree. He can hit the mid range consistent at 14-17 ft from the basket, but when he is around 18-21 feet he is atrocious. He hits them occasionally but being very very lucky. Unfortunately, that 20 ft jump is really what matters in today's NBA when you have a PF that can't hit 3's. A 20 ft jumper is the next best thing.

 

[elan_prodigy]

He's a facilitator. Let's remove assists per game stats out of the discussion. I get your point. Assists per game doesn't always reflect whether a player is a good facilitator of the offence.


Ok, maybe, for the sake of discussion, lets say that assists per game is not the stat to look at. Because you are right, that stat doesn't always reflect a players ability to facilitate the offense. But Rubio is a facilitator of the offense, as is all NBA point guards. It is their number one responsibility. To either get the ball to a player that can score, or for that point guard to put points on the board himself. Assists per game will not break down the efficiency of facilitating the offense. But there is another stat that will. Player efficiency rating. This is a stat that doesn't lie. It reflects a players per minute efficiency rating of numerous stats.
Rubio is ranked 223rd in the NBA at 12.52 PER. There are only 347 available rankings in the NBA. Rubio's on court production is horrible. The great thing about the PER stat is that coaches can use it to maximize a players on court efficiency and adjust playing time accordingly. If they are playing a guy more minutes than normal and the stat dips, it tells you that that particular player is playing max efficiency under X amount of minutes. Just because someone is coming off of the bench and has a better efficiency doesn't necessarily mean that they need more minutes. It just means that you can evaluate how many minutes to play them and extract the maximum efficiency.
Jazz players ranked higher than Rubio are
#207 Joe Ingles @ 13.03
#198 Raul Neto @13.31
#186 Jonas Jerebko @ 13.66
#153 Rodney Hook @ 14.68
#133 Alec Burks @ 15.25
#127 Ekpe Udoh @ 15.59
#107 Thabo Sefolosha @ 16.22
#90 Donovan Mitchell @ 16.99
#57 Derrick Favors @ 18.80
#37 Rudy Gobert @ 20.08

One thing about analytics, math doesn't lie.

I get all that, never said otherwise.