Exum Update
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Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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OMG!!! Cry harder. No one here is a bigger Exum fan then me, and even I could see he needed coaching more then playing time for a team that was in a playoff chase. He's going to be very good, but he's extremely raw. There were guys that deserved playing time more then him. Players progress quicker and slower then others, his time will come sooner or later.
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Change your name. AuzzzieFan might be a good comparable.
Done, he did that in the second half of last year. He had a positive impact on the team while he was in. Lets, move on to the expectations. I share the same expectations as Snyder about Exum.
Dont worry little buddy, he will probably sign with another team. I think it is very very likely he signs with another team. So you will get your wish come true.
Then the Jazz will match, I guess you dont know what RFA means.
LoPo
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Hey look everybody - NAOS is trying real hard to feel better about himself.
Quin's Murderface
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Gotta say I disagree with this last year. Exum was better than Mack for most of the season. There was an argument for Mack at the beginning of the year, but Exum definitely should have been given all those backup minutes. I think it would have made the Jazz a much better team when the playoffs came around. Mack was a disaster, and Exum's development was definitely a secondary concern to keeping Hayward happy I think. Around January Mack should have been planted on the bench and never played another minute before Exum.
LoPo
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So, what animal are you LoPo?
Lol. Good question. I'll have to think on that one...
We passed on making a waiver claim on Deron because "we don't want him to get in the way of Exum's developement." Would rather DWill be in the way than Mack.
Quin's Murderface
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Yeah I agree. They did that and then Mack still got way too many minutes after the fact. I think that one was pretty squarely on Quin though. For whatever reason he just trusted Mack a ton. I think if Mack was on this team he might be starting right now.
I think there were a lot of factors to it. Snyder did trust Mack more. I dont think he was necessarily wrong in that though. Mack was more consistent. I think Exum had higher highs while playing but also had lower lows. I think he averaged out better but Snyder wanted the consistency of Mack.
Additionally Snyder talked a great deal about developing Exum and being hard on him. I think he liked using Mack to try and Push Exum. He could pull Exum and talk to him about his mistakes and used him to try and motivate Exum to work harder. I think it was successful. As the season went on Exum really came out and tried to do more and played harder.
I think Snyder was much more concerned about the long term development of Exum than he was the slight difference between Exum and Mack for the backup minutes. Frankly neither of them were going to push us further in the playoffs and the W/L column would not change much regardless of who played the backup minutes.
I think the start of this season we saw the big improvements Exum made. His shot looked smooth and confident, his hard work in the gym had his athleticism at a higher point than it was before the injury, and we saw his competitiveness and willingness to try and take over games. Not all of that translates to being better in actual NBA games, but a lot of it does.
Exum's best game all last year was against GS in the playoffs when he got Utah back into the game that up to that point was a blowout.When everyone wanted Exum to start the 2nd half and continue his 1st half play ,his reward was back to the corner and Shane Mack starting at PG and the rout was back on.
Now Mack is in Orlando ,signed for 6 million and playing very little .Now Orlando fanz are pissed because Orlando didn't pick up Mario Hezonja's contract for 5 million and he becomes and unrestricted FA AND he's playing really good BB now.Mack's money represents Hezonja being let go.
I'd love to see Utah get Hezonja and put him in with Exum(PG),DM(SG),Hezonja(SF),Ingles(PF),Gobert(C)
I wouldnt mind picking up Hezonja for really cheap, but he isnt playing that well and in no way do I think he could start for us next year. His 3 point shot is still off. This month he is shooting 25%, last month was 32%.
He has upside and maybe still turns into a good player, but he isnt right now. He is definitely not playing "really good BB now." There is a lot to be worried about with his game. He is an end of the rotation guy, that if you could sign him for really cheap on a 2-4 year contract then you could hope to develop him, that might be worth the risk.
Even though Jazz made the playoffs last year it was at the expense of the younger guys getting playing time for Diaw (gone from the NBA),Joe Johnson (likely traded or bought out ),Mack (at the end of Orlando's bench),Hill(gone to purgatory). What a mistake and the follow up is the Jazz are nosediving right now opposite of the playoffs.
Jazz look like a farmclub offering their young veterans up to the big leagues while looking for a new crop of young players to get ready for teams looking to make the playoffs.
Jazz look like a farmclub offering their young veterans up to the big leagues while looking for a new crop of young players to get ready for teams looking to make the playoffs.
LoPo
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I would rather pay Herzonja next year than Burks. We could probably get Herzonja for 2 years for what we are paying Burks for 2018-19.
Playing vets and getting to the playoffs didnt hurt the development of our younger players last year and winning was not at the expense of the young guys. It did not hurt Exum's development. If anything it helped him to get to the playoffs and experience that. It also helped him to see vets play, practice and perform in games.
The alternative is we played Exum and Lyles (our only real young guys last year) a lot more and miss the playoffs. Those guys are no better off for that. We still lose Hayward, we still (hopefully) trade Lyles and Exum still gets hurt and is the same place development wise or worse because he didn't get to experience playoffs and how to win a series.
I would rather pay someone else. Also I think that is too much to pay Mario.
Are you looking at stats or have you watched any of their games?I watch 3/4 teams on league pass all season unfortunately there like the Jazz ,nosediving to the lottery.All expected to be in the middle of trades.Hezonja is NOT at the end of the rotation as their season goes on and is exploding to the basket for big time throwdowns. He's turned the corner and that's why I'd love the Jazz to get him cheaply if they can. Send Burks for Hezonja and filler.
Talent will win playoffs 1st and foremost.Learning from *Vets* who are rentals doesn't teach you how to win or make the playoffs like playing through your mistakes on the court.
Whether we like it or not ,watching drafted Utah players excel on other teams and watching Utah hit the reset button under Snyder is becoming a concern.
If we got to see Hood ,Favors,and Burks get traded then I'd like to see Hezonja or a Bender type player come back in return.
I have watched him a little bit. He does have some good drives. But he is really poor shooter right now (a big must for the Jazz on the wing) and plays little to no defense. He does have potential. I would just assume sign him as a UFA for cheap than trade for him right now. There are not any fillers that would be worth it for the Jazz to take back.
But if Hezonja was a part of a bigger trade then sure. I guess I would go for Burks and Rubio for Hezonja and Fournier. We would still have to resign Hezonja, which I am not sure we could or would offer enough that it is worth it for him or us.