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MilesDeep said:
Mack sucked, and there isn't any proper justification as to why he played while Exum didn't. Mitchell bordered on bad his first few games and yet the leash was long. So it should have been with Burks and Exum. But then, I thought Exum played too much his rookie year when he was clearly too scared (hesitant) to do anything offensively other than jack up threes. Exum had partially outgrown this by the time Mack was here and was inexplicably playing ahead of him.
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Revisionist history. Anyone who remembers his play last year, just using the eye test, knows Mack was more respected as a shooter and playmaker than Exum by every defense. Neither were acceptable options, and I can’t fault Quin for picking the player people actually guarded.


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Revisionist history. Anyone who remembers his play last year, just using the eye test, knows Mack was more respected as a shooter and playmaker than Exum by every defense. Neither were acceptable options, and I can’t fault Quin for picking the player people actually guarded.
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This is BS ...in the biggest game of his career against GS Exum showed what he could do and Jazz were excited for him to play this year. As far as Mack is concerned he's at the end of the bench on the Magic team ,that tells you how valued Mack is.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Lol, the Mack/Exum situation occurred because Exum couldn’t shoot or create, at all. Mack could, inconsistently, but could shoot 3’s and spread the floor. SPREAD THE FLOOR. We’re seeing first hand how important spacing is in Quin’s offense and how it contributed to our success last season. With a team that still struggled to score at times, with a playoff birth on the line, you pick the player that makes your offense better. You have Rudy Gobert to anchor the defense, and Exum’s scoring weaknesses clearly outweighed his defensive strengths. Exum underperformed when minutes we’re crucial. Quin made the right, very unfortunate call. Not Corbinesque. At all.


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Mack shot 30% from 3 last year. Not any better than Exum (percentage points I think but whatever). He made the offense worse because he shot more than he should instead of letting better players take more shots. It's like basketball 101. All this has been rehashed time and again. You can believe whatever you want but Exum was at a huge disadvantage early on as he was still recovering from injury. If you take out that rough early stretch Exum was even better than Mack the second half of the season and should have had all those minutes. Exum was clearly the better player by January. Teams wanted Mack shooting the ball as much as possible unless it was that one night in 7 where he was hitting some shots.

Exum performed just fine but was often kneecapped by not being allowed to make mistakes and play through them. I can't count how many times he made a couple first half mistakes and didn't get back in the game that night. It was just a bad coaching job and was definitely Corbinesque. Where I do agree with you is that Quin thought he was trying to maximize wins in order to convince Hayward to stick around. I simply think he made a mistake by not taking growth into account, and using the wrong kind of motivation for a guy like Exum.

Edit: And also for not just playing the better player with more upside the second half of the year. Quin is a good coach but he has some quirks with playing players he is comfortable with over players that actually help the team win more (even if the difference is small) and he definitely has had a couple pet players.
 
Currently the Orlando Magic have worst record in the NBA and who's buried at the end of the bench BUT Shane Mack ....did he just get bad all of a sudden this year OR being one of Snyder's pet players get him minutes over Exum ?
 
If I were Dante I would say "###k the jazz " and go to sign
for another team. Dante would not want to have plenty of DNP~CD next to his name next season under Snyder's stupid coaching. Unless he wants more tortures from snyder, Dante should look for another team. If utah is going to match any offer by another team trying to sign Dante, Dante should just ask for a trade.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Revisionist history. Anyone who remembers his play last year, just using the eye test, knows Mack was more respected as a shooter and playmaker than Exum by every defense. Neither were acceptable options, and I can’t fault Quin for picking the player people actually guarded.


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Baby you're so wrong. (I don't normally get to say that without fear.)
 
utahjazzz said:
If I were Dante I would say "###k the jazz " and go to sign
for another team. Dante would not want to have plenty of DNP~CD next to his name next season under Snyder's stupid coaching. Unless he wants more tortures from snyder, Dante should look for another team. If utah is going to match any offer by another team trying to sign Dante, Dante should just ask for a trade.
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Do it Dante go sign with another team. Then the Jazz match and Exum plays for Utah.

That's how this works. You realize that right @utahjazzz

Edit: I am going to laugh so hard at all of you that are either bagging on Exum or Snyder when he come back and he starts performing because he is healthy and has learned the things being taught that places him in a position to be successful.
 
LoPo said:
I still don't understand the Exum hate. He plays for our team. Give him a break.

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Agreed along with the Snyder hate some are expressing in an attempt to defend Exum. Kid will be much improved and that is a result of his talent and hard work as well as Snyder and staffs coaching and guidance.
 
tleikheen said:
...in the biggest game of his career against GS Exum showed what he could do
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Yeah. He waited until the end of the ****ing year to have that game. Where was that game in January or February?

I'm not anti-Exum at all. In fact, I harbor hopes that he will be able to come back to full health and have a great career with the Jazz. But all of this quibbling over Shelvin Mack betrays a serious desire to coddle grown-*** men who need to own their own careers.

Someone earlier in the thread insisted that there is no substitute for playing time, and that may be true. But there is also no excuse for not outperforming the players that are ahead of you in the rotation if you are more qualified and talented than they are. Prove it in practice, and prove it in games. If you deserve playing time more than the other guy, it should be absolutely apparent.

Exum didn't prove anything like that before the GS series. It wasn't apparent at all for most of last year. He didn't play well enough to beat out Mack. And the reason for that, in all likelihood, is that he wasn't completely recovered from his knee rehab until April. And what happened then? His play in the GS series happened, and it was clearly better than Mack. But that level of play was not available for the entire year. Pointing to Mack's mediocrity doesn't change that.
 
But you can't get mad at a guy who isn't being used correctly or not being "great" here in Utah. We have had a number of players who have gone on to be better elsewhere. Does that mean that Exum would? It's hard to say, but it isn't fair to assume that Exum isn't any good because he hasn't shined quite yet for us. If that was the case, Korver, Millsap, JunkYardDog, Kanter, DeShawn Stevenson, Koufus, and even CJ Miles weren't that good although they proved otherwise.

It's unfortunate, but we have mismanaged a ton of talent since the prime Sloan days when we used to get the most out of almost everybody.
 
I would say his play was decent to good from feb onward, i agree with most of everything else you've said. It will be interesting to see how he deals with this setback mentally, which is where i think he is frail. Mind you he's a young kid and all that so anything can happen, when he came into the league i thought he had a lot of growing up to do. Ive said before he should have gone to college.
 
Engorged On Unborn Gore said:
Yeah. He waited until the end of the ****ing year to have that game. Where was that game in January or February?

I'm not anti-Exum at all. In fact, I harbor hopes that he will be able to come back to full health and have a great career with the Jazz. But all of this quibbling over Shelvin Mack betrays a serious desire to coddle grown-*** men who need to own their own careers.

Someone earlier in the thread insisted that there is no substitute for playing time, and that may be true. But there is also no excuse for not outperforming the players that are ahead of you in the rotation if you are more qualified and talented than they are. Prove it in practice, and prove it in games. If you deserve playing time more than the other guy, it should be absolutely apparent.

Exum didn't prove anything like that before the GS series. It wasn't apparent at all for most of last year. He didn't play well enough to beat out Mack. And the reason for that, in all likelihood, is that he wasn't completely recovered from his knee rehab until April. And what happened then? His play in the GS series happened, and it was clearly better than Mack. But that level of play was not available for the entire year. Pointing to Mack's mediocrity doesn't change that.
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He had other good games. He had a better game than that against OKC sometime around January or February. He had a couple times where he scored double digit points for 3 games in a row and then got hardly any minutes after that for a stretch. Any time he started gaining momentum he fell back in the doghouse for things that Mack was allowed to do all the time. Sorry but Exum was done wrong last year. Sometimes coaches can screw players up or hinder their progress by how they coach them. Last year was a case of that happening. I'm a big Quin fan overall, but he messed up on this one.
 
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