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Dali said:
Donovan was allowed to get his nonsense out of his system for the first 2 or 3 weeks, and boy did he get it out of his system! I do realise though they were different circumstances, and different team expectations.
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And completely different players. DM is a star already. And did you forget Exum started a lot of games his rookie season? He was allowed to make a ton of rookie mistakes with nowhere close to the contribution Mitchell is making as a rookie.

I think some of Dante's lack of playing time has been "tough love" by Quin. Snyder has pushed Exum because he knows the potential is there...if Dante takes his development seriously. Even Lindsey talked about a "sense of urgency" before last summer. And it was just a shame about the injury because Exum seemed to have turned that corner.
 
Dali said:
The bottom line in all of this poses the question, what is/was the end result in all of this? Well, the end result is that Mack was given preference in this situation. A player that everybody knew would be let go at the end of the season, instead of a player with a higher ceiling, a young player who you are trying to develop.

Does that sit well with everybody? Anybody? The difference between the two was minimal either way, but there was a wide gap in defense between them, as whenever I watched Mack on defense it looked like he was on quicksand.

The decision was baffling at the time, and even more so now in hindsight knowing about Dante's second big injury. I say this considering how much he has already missed, and considering that he needed/needs as much playing time as possible.

When will he finally be allowed to make 'rookie' mistakes? 23/24 years of age?

Donovan was allowed to get his nonsense out of his system for the first 2 or 3 weeks, and boy did he get it out of his system! I do realise though they were different circumstances, and different team expectations.
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That is why Dante should want to leave the jazz right now. He has been suffering so much unjust treatments and was a victim of double standards from snyder and the Jazz for the last few years. Dante should
be pissed that Neto and Mack were given more court time than himself, despite the fact
that he has higher ceiling than these two guys. Every player in the jazz was allowed to make a few mistakes on the court, but not Dante. What kind of coaching is this ?
 
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Just the opposite. Dante should be thankful he landed on a team with a coaching staff so willing to teach and be patient. Exum was one of the least prepared rookies to hit the league. He couldn't shoot, wouldn't drive to the hoop. Now he has the opportunity to come back slowly from his injury, get 25-30 mins next season as part of the PG/SG rotation with Ricky and Donovan and then become the starter when Rubio's contract expires.

Jazz had a HOF PG you may have heard of by the name of John Stockton. He started 5 games as rookie, 38 as a 2nd year player and only 2 his 3rd year. And he had FOUR years of college, not like Dante who had zero college experience.

Exum played in all 82 games as a rookie, starting 41. Last year he played in 66 and started 26. He shot an abysmal 30% on his 3's. Jazz were in it to win it last season. Dante's play was hurting the team both offensively and defensively. It was great he "broke out" in garbage time against GS. Let's hope what he's worked on carries forward once he shakes off the rust.
 
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The Exum homers are living in a vacuum with hindsight as ammo for their argument. The Jazz were a playoff team, gunning for position, trying to keep their All Star player. While it would have been nice to develop Exum further last season, it could have cost us wins. Pure and simple. Yes, we sacrificed development in what ultimately was a successful season with a catastrophic result, but that is no justification for looking back and criticizing Quin's decision. Winning is what ultimately matters, and he did just that.

I'm excited for Exum's return and I want him to succeed. Last year is behind us and he has a long leash now. It's all on him.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
The Exum homers are living in a vacuum with hindsight as ammo for their argument. The Jazz were a playoff team, gunning for position, trying to keep their All Star player. While it would have been nice to develop Exum further last season, it could have cost us wins. Pure and simple. Yes, we sacrificed development in what ultimately was a successful season with a catastrophic result, but that is no justification for looking back and criticizing Quin's decision. Winning is what ultimately matters, and he did just that.

I'm excited for Exum's return and I want him to succeed. Last year is behind us and he has a long leash now. It's all on him.
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Personally IMO people here put too much stock in playing time as the ultimate way to progress young players. They develop more in my opinion in practice and personal work. Experience is more gained in actual games.


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NAOS said:
Is there anybody out there who hopes Exum returns too early or before he's ready?
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I dont know but there are definitely people who want him to sit out longer than when he is ready to play. Which is what my post was alluding to.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I dont know but there are definitely people who want him to sit out longer than when he is ready to play. Which is what my post was alluding to.
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isn't that just their way of saying that they want him fully healthy before a return?
 
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Jack Strop said:
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Just the opposite. Dante should be thankful he landed on a team with a coaching staff so willing to teach and be patient. Exum was one of the least prepared rookies to hit the league. He couldn't shoot, wouldn't drive to the hoop. Now he has the opportunity to come back slowly from his injury, get 25-30 mins next season as part of the PG/SG rotation with Ricky and Donovan and then become the starter when Rubio's contract expires.

Jazz had a HOF PG you may have heard of by the name of John Stockton. He started 5 games as rookie, 38 as a 2nd year player and only 2 his 3rd year. And he had FOUR years of college, not like Dante who had zero college experience.

Exum played in all 82 games as a rookie, starting 41. Last year he played in 66 and started 26. He shot an abysmal 30% on his 3's. Jazz were in it to win it last season. Dante's play was hurting the team both offensively and defensively. It was great he "broke out" in garbage time against GS. Let's hope what he's worked on carries forward once he shakes off the rust.
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He wasn't hurting the team after the start of the year. I checked at one point and the team had a positive net rating with him playing after January. I stopped tracking it but I'd be surprised if it had changed a ton. I like what you said above though. It's just a shame he got injured and he'll still get a chance to fight for a starting position assuming the Jazz are telling the truth about how they feel about him as a player. Considering all the injuries and his rawness coming out he's still in a really good position. I could see a lot of teams already giving up on him and trading him by now.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
The Exum homers are living in a vacuum with hindsight as ammo for their argument. The Jazz were a playoff team, gunning for position, trying to keep their All Star player. While it would have been nice to develop Exum further last season, it could have cost us wins. Pure and simple. Yes, we sacrificed development in what ultimately was a successful season with a catastrophic result, but that is no justification for looking back and criticizing Quin's decision. Winning is what ultimately matters, and he did just that.

I'm excited for Exum's return and I want him to succeed. Last year is behind us and he has a long leash now. It's all on him.
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I don't agree with this. I do understand the logic of it and I think you are correct that this was the thought process. It was just overly cautious and kind of anti-intellectual imo. I think Quin saw something with his eye test that convinced him Mack was better for the team (probably that he thought he was more of an offensive threat in the second unit, and less likely to screw up). He could run something like Quin's slowdown sets more convincingly and Quin went with that. Criticizing that doesn't make somebody an Exum homer.
 
I like Dante's look ,still looks sleek but stronger BUT we know for now Dante's game revolves around his electric 1st step and speed up and down the court.
This works perfectly with DM's game who I've been reading wants to get up and down the court faster but lacks a running mate.
 
Dante hitting those 3's. I wonder how long until he is cleared for contact drills/practice.
 
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