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Utah Trade Deadline Discussion

The most recent CBA established a Salary Floor. This year, the floor is around $89 million. The Bulls are currently at $83 million. If they dont get to $83 million, current players get paid to get to $89 million.

I bring that up to say that Chicago will have to spend $89 million on their team regardless of how they do it. With that being said and considering the Bulls' attempt to take Asik to get a pick, this makes perfect sense:

Cavs get Favors
Jazz get Mirotic and Osman
Bulls get Burks (better contract and player than Asik), Frye (expiring), Calderon (expiring) and Cavs' 2018 1st.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ych3ez8f

The only hang up I see is the Cavs and Osman. But I just don't see the Cavs' pick being enough to get Favors from us. We have leverage.

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LoPo said:
The most recent CBA established a Salary Floor. This year, the floor is around $89 million. The Bulls are currently at $83 million. If they dont get to $83 million, current players get paid to get to $89 million.

I bring that up to say that Chicago will have to spend $89 million on their team regardless of how they do it. With that being said and considering the Bulls' attempt to take Asik to get a pick, this makes perfect sense:

Cavs get Favors
Jazz get Mirotic and Osman
Bulls get Burks (better contract and player than Asik), Frye (expiring), Calderon (expiring) and Cavs' 2018 1st.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ych3ez8f

The only hang up I see is the Cavs and Osman. But I just don't see the Cavs' pick being enough to get Favors from us. We have leverage.

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We have leverage? Everyone and their mother knows Favors is not coming back to the Jazz and we are shopping him around. I do not think we have leverage. Getting Niko for Favors is great value.

If the Jazz overvalue their outgoing pieces, they are probably going to regret it, especially when Favors signs somewhere else.
 
WhiskyPriest said:
We have leverage? Everyone and their mother knows Favors is not coming back to the Jazz and we are shopping him around. I do not think we have leverage. Getting Niko for Favors is great value.

If the Jazz overvalue their outgoing pieces, they are probably going to regret it, especially when Favors signs somewhere else.
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What I suspect to be the biggest problem.
 
The leverage I refer to is simple - the Cavs have a massive, current need for a guy like Favors. And we don't have to trade him. We would be fine keeping him.

The Cavs don't have many trade options out there for a proven PF/C that compliments the roster who doesn't compromise the Cavs' financial future. People talk DeAndre, but the Cavs would have to trade back much more important assets than Osman and a 1st to get him. And outside of DJ, who out there is as good as Favors AND available? Nobody at this point.

That is why we have leverage.

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Anybody throwing the "Cavs pick" in a deal needs to realize that it is extremely valuable, not because they are sliding, but to use as a means to get off bad money if (or when) LeBron leaves. It's silly to think the Cavs would trade that pick for a couple months of Favors
 
infection said:
What I suspect to be the biggest problem.
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I don't think overvaluing Favors is a problem. Jazz simply don't want to take on bad contracts or give up their first. Only playoff team that has anything close to making sense is Cleveland with Frye' s expiring plus Shumpert? and their pick?
Outside of that, Jazz are better off preserving cap room by letting his contract expire.
We'll see what Hood fetches. Won't be a lottery pick, but a playoff team would probably give up their first for him.
 
MDAV28 said:
Anybody throwing the "Cavs pick" in a deal needs to realize that it is extremely valuable, not because they are sliding, but to use as a means to get off bad money if (or when) LeBron leaves. It's silly to think the Cavs would trade that pick for a couple months of Favors
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I'm not opining on what I think they will or won't do, but how smart do you think Dan Gilbert is?
 
Why is that silly? The Cavs have to win now because if LeBron leaves they probably won't be relevant again in a long time if ever.

If the Jazz were in the Cavs' shoes, I would go all in on now. Why not? So few teams actually have a chance to win a NBA title. I wish we would have traded numerous 1st rounders back in the day of Stock and Mailman so we could be proud of a title or two today. Instead, we wish we would have done more.

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LoPo said:
Why is that silly? The Cavs have to win now because if LeBron leaves they probably won't be relevant again in a long time if ever.

If the Jazz were in the Cavs' shoes, I would go all in on now. Why not? So few teams actually have a chance to win a NBA title. I wish we would have traded numerous 1st rounders back in the day of Stock and Mailman so we could be proud of a title or two today. Instead, we wish we would have done more.

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You just countered your own argument. If this is the case, then trade the Nets pick for a bigger piece. Trading their own pick essentially locks them out of trading the Nets pick due to the Stepian rule.
 
infection said:
I'm not opining on what I think they will or won't do, but how smart do you think Dan Gilbert is?
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If we are talking Gilbert, I'm willing to bet he still has the nasty taste in his mouth from getting burned by LeBron the first time. Him, more than any, would seem less likely to sacrifice the future just to get burned again.
 
LoPo said:
We don't have to look far to see the Cavs doing a similar trade. They traded Mo Williams and a top 10 protected 2019 1st for expiring Korver just last year - http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...liers-acquire-kyle-korver-trade-atlanta-hawks

So you are telling me a potentially better 1st (Cavs 2019) for expiring 35 year old Korver is better than a first in the bottom 8 this year for expiring 26 year old Favors?

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In a way, yes. LeBron's status on the team wasn't up in the air. If they knew LeBron was staying any and all picks would have been gone yesterday.
 
Jazz tried back in the days. Two infamous trades were nixed because players didn't want to play in Utah.
Favors isn't the only player available to Cleveland. If I were Cleveland I'd be trying to land Jordan. Favors is a second or third choice.
 
The Cavs can trade the Brooklyn pick for sure. However, who can they get with that pick who is worth it who is actually available?

Mirotic? Kemba? Expiring Lou Williams? Expiring Avery Bradley? DeAndre Jordan? Who else?

None of those guys are worth the Brooklyn pick. They are worth the Cavs pick, but Favors plays the position Love just vacated.

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I think that the Jazz actually have a decent amount of leverage at the deadline. Because we're one of the few teams around that have good amount of expiring contracts. And our expiring contracts are actually decent players. They are contracts that will be appealing to both buyers and sellers at the deadline.
 
LoPo said:
The Cavs can trade the Brooklyn pick for sure. However, who can they get with that pick who is worth it who is actually available?

Mirotic? Kemba? Expiring Lou Williams? Expiring Avery Bradley? DeAndre Jordan? Who else?

None of those guys are worth the Brooklyn pick. They are worth the Cavs pick, but Favors plays the position Love just vacated.

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Kemba for sure and even Hood would be a better use of assets than Favors. No Favors would play Center and LeBron/Crowder would play the 4.
 
SCS said:
I think that the Jazz actually have a decent amount of leverage at the deadline. Because we're one of the few teams around that have good amount of expiring contracts. And our expiring contracts are actually decent players. They are contracts that will be appealing to both buyers and sellers at the deadline.
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Yes it's true, but the leverage comes from taking on future money. The move is to use the expiring contracts like Favors and Johnson take on 2018/2019 salary for assets in return.
 
You get the point MDAV c'mon man. Favors plays in the post where Love is missing. He is better than TT at either PF or C.

The Cavs only get Kemba if they take back a bad contract because they arent sending the good player Charlotte has demanded. Can't get Kemba with just the Brooklyn pick.

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LoPo said:
You get the point MDAV c'mon man. Favors plays in the post where Love is missing. He is better than TT at either PF or C.

The Cavs only get Kemba if they take back a bad contract because they arent sending the good player Charlotte has demanded. Can't get Kemba with just the Brooklyn pick.

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Same with us, we only get a pick for Favors if we take on bad money like Thompson.
 
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