Hood traded to Cleveland for Crowder; Johnson to Sacramento

[RandyForRubio]

Agree on what? I didn't say it was horrible. Just that's is not all that efficient. We have other players who are more efficient that can take some of his shots.

Where are you getting horrible from? Neither of us said it. This is pretty simple, but I'll try to explain it for you.

You think he's not efficient. I'm stating that a 55% TS% is efficient, especially when you take into context the difficulty of his shots and his role.

 

[Coach Ellis]

If the relationship was truly broken, how bad would it have gotten if the Jazz had forced him to find his own deal and then matched the offer sheet?

Overpay or piss him off more. No good options. Crowder was a decent get.

 

[RandyForRubio]

What was his TS last year when he had a secondary role?

Is he not allowed to improve?

I think it stands to logic that if you are in a primary creating role, your TS% will typically be lower than if you have a role where you don't get to shoot as much and are set up with good looks, and have less defensive attention. There will always be exceptions, but by and large, I think it's true.

 

[fishonjazz]

Where are you getting horrible from? Neither of us said it. This is pretty simple, but I'll try to explain it for you.

You think he's not efficient. I'm stating that a 55% TS% is efficient, especially when you take into context the difficulty of his shots and his role.

I didn’t say he is not efficient. Neither of us did. I said he is not that efficient. Meaning I don’t think his efficiency is special or by any means irreplaceable.
It was asked what we will do without his offense. I was simply saying losing hood ain’t no thang. We will be fine. He ain’t no elite efficiency offensive juggernaut or something like the panic of some posters worrying about what we will do now offensively seems to indicate.

 

[Greasy84]

Does anyone know what Locke means here in this twitter thread? Sometimes his writing is unintelligible.

I'll take a stab at it, but I could be wrong. I think he's saying some players give the media good quotes to write about and, in turn, the writers call those players "good locker room guys". Sometimes those players aren't actually good for team chemistry, but the writers like them because they are accessible and give good quotes.

 

[zyzz]

Ah, I think you nailed it. So he meant...

Here is the only thing I will chime in on this conversation - whenever I read "good in the locker room" I feel like what I am really reading is "good quote to the media." My experience tells me some of the best "in the locker room guys" by the media are not always

Makes sense when you put the quotes around those parts.

 

[NAOS]

re-play the 3rd quarter of the Memphis game. There were quite a few possessions on defense where Rod was sleepwalking. He was primed to slog through the rest of this season without the team's best interest at heart.

 

[Hitman]

Hood was an improved version of CJ Miles - a lefty jump-shooter, shot a good percentage from the line but rarely got there, didn't pass, rebound or defend well, played inconsistently, wore a jock one game and a diaper the next. Hood is definitely better than Miles, but their strengths and weaknesses are similar.

Crowder is a two-way player. His outside shooting is nowhere near Hood's level but he is no slouch either (and he's actually better at shooting corner 3s). He can also play inside the arc. Hood, however, is much better at creating his own shot (Crowder is assisted on ~3/4 of his shots, Hood on ~1/4) - or much more of an iso player, depending on your POV.

 

[Greasy84]

Ah, I think you nailed it. So he meant...

Here is the only thing I will chime in on this conversation - whenever I read "good in the locker room" I feel like what I am really reading is "good quote to the media." My experience tells me some of the best "in the locker room guys" by the media are not always

Makes sense when you put the quotes around those parts.

Yes, this is a better way to put it.

 

[gomretat]

This is very simple. Rodney did not want to be here. He was professional in how he managed it but he wanted to be a starter and Mitchell's emergence changed everything for him. I dont think there was a rift or he was a problem in the locker room and I say no way did the booing contribute - though it was bush league. Rodney simply wants more limelight and Utah is not the place for him. No matter how much or how little we paid for him, he wanted a shot to be somewhere else. Good luck to him. He managed it very well and seems to be a great guy. He should do well in Cleveland. Nice to have Jae on board.

 

[Ellipse]

Not exactly what’s I’m saying. Im simply saying more give a heads up or an explanation as to why you may be doing something if you’re going to do it before it happens. Not ask for permission but to keep them involved on why you’re doing something before you do it. I get that’s hard to do, but with something like Blake Griffin who finds out on twitter he’s been traded I don’t like. I think filling your franchise players in on what you may be going to do before it happens would make them feel more respected.

You're asking a lot from a GM that needs to spend his day working trades. How is he to keep DM informed when he is dealing with several GMs and agents and the deals are changing minute-by-minute? Now after the deal is done, then maybe he could explain the move and rationale to some of the team's key players, but I don't know if that is even a good time; give the players a day or so for their emotions to settle.

 

[cmw]

I didn’t say he is not efficient. Neither of us did. I said he is not that efficient. Meaning I don’t think his efficiency is special or by any means irreplaceable.
It was asked what we will do without his offense. I was simply saying losing hood ain’t no thang. We will be fine. He ain’t no elite efficiency offensive juggernaut or something like the panic of some posters worrying about what we will do now offensively seems to indicate.

I can't believe I am going to say this. I hope Rubio takes a good portion of his shots.

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[Quin's Murderface]

55% TS on 14 shots a game isn't efficient? Not sure I can agree on that.

I think this is technically below average (barely) efficiency. I read somewhere that it .560 is closer to average. That could be incorrect.

Where are you getting horrible from? Neither of us said it. This is pretty simple, but I'll try to explain it for you.

You think he's not efficient. I'm stating that a 55% TS% is efficient, especially when you take into context the difficulty of his shots and his role.

55% is average efficiency. Taking harder shots doesn't make it more efficient it just makes the shots he can/does take less efficient shots than some others. I think there's an argument to be made that his skills are sometimes useful, but it would be better if he could either take more efficient shots within the flow of the offense, or make more shots so that he had good efficiency instead of average.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I can't believe I am going to say this. I hope Rubio takes a good portion of his shots.

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The way Rubio is playing makes it easier to trade Hood. Mitchell can play at the 2 more, and the Jazz rely less on Hood.

 

[oneye]

I can't believe I am going to say this. I hope Rubio takes a good portion of his shots.

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What a crazy world we are living in.


The bottom line is Donovan changed everything. Everything for the organization, everything for fans, everything in the plan, and everything for Rodney Hood. His time was up, he wasn’t happy with those changes.

The Jazz got decent value for someone they were going to lose for nothing or keep and be disgruntled. The same people complaining about this trade are probably the ones who complained the Jazz let Hayward walk for nothing. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. I trust DL knew more what he needed to do than a bunch of internet warriors who have their opinions. The Jazz have a true star, that can shine and bring attention to himself in this market beyond what a lot of guys can. Donovan is as charismatic of a person as you’ll ever get, and he’s being noticed as a rookie. Once the Jazz start winning, and are in the playoffs he will get even more attention. Donovan is the star we needed after that one guy left, and somehow we got lucky enough to get him. Now let’s go.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

Is he not allowed to improve?

I think it stands to logic that if you are in a primary creating role, your TS% will typically be lower than if you have a role where you don't get to shoot as much and are set up with good looks, and have less defensive attention. There will always be exceptions, but by and large, I think it's true.

This is a good point, however. This was Rodney's best season and you can hope/expect him to get better in a lead role as he matures. How much better he can get is the question. His game relies quite a bit on covered 2 point shots. Will he ever get more FT's and 3's to bump up his efficiency? Maybe.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Such as? His rookie season was his best.

He added a massive skill of shooting off the dribble 3's this year, and is already doing that at an elite level. He started playing better in paint area as of late. Instead of charging in (like he was doing often earlier in the season), he started using more crafty quasi-post moves to free himself for open looks and at times being able to draw contact on them.

This was definitely his best year. I dont know how how anyone can say otherwise. He is primarily a shooter and he just had his best TS% season despite raising his usage significantly.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Hood was an improved version of CJ Miles - a lefty jump-shooter, shot a good percentage from the line but rarely got there, didn't pass, rebound or defend well, played inconsistently, wore a jock one game and a diaper the next. Hood is definitely better than Miles, but their strengths and weaknesses are similar.

Crowder is a two-way player. His outside shooting is nowhere near Hood's level but he is no slouch either (and he's actually better at shooting corner 3s). He can also play inside the arc. Hood, however, is much better at creating his own shot (Crowder is assisted on ~3/4 of his shots, Hood on ~1/4) - or much more of an iso player, depending on your POV.

Hood is more of a PNR player than an ISO player.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The way Rubio is playing makes it easier to trade Hood. Mitchell can play at the 2 more, and the Jazz rely less on Hood.

? Nothing about Hood being here was limiting Mitchell's minutes at the 2.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Hood being traded makes it easier to play Exum more minutes, but Mitchell's minutes were never affected by Hood.