He leads the EURO league in rebounds per minute........
This is the MAN we need at #3 - C Jonas Valanciunas
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He leads the EURO league in rebounds per minute........
BENTLEY
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Well, I'm once again reverting back to being intrigued with JV.
I like his height, his decent enough weight (considering he seems to weigh more than Noah did), him being described as having a high motor ala Noah, and if it can be believed - his insane wingspan. Jazz could definitely use a true center more than another PF. Jonas seems like he might be a cross between Kanter and Biyombo.
See, I'm getting myself all excited. Then I go and watch "highlights" of this guy and I come away less than impressed. ...so many gambles this year.
I like his height, his decent enough weight (considering he seems to weigh more than Noah did), him being described as having a high motor ala Noah, and if it can be believed - his insane wingspan. Jazz could definitely use a true center more than another PF. Jonas seems like he might be a cross between Kanter and Biyombo.
See, I'm getting myself all excited. Then I go and watch "highlights" of this guy and I come away less than impressed. ...so many gambles this year.
JohnStockalypse
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I know it's always a crap shoot, but I would hope to get a guy with more upside than Noah at #3 overall.
He is also a really good FT shooter, which would suggest he could develop a midrange game during the course of his career. As of now his offensive skills are probably limited to garbage man, but I heard is a very good pick and roll player.
The Thriller
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Hell no
This would be great to:
#1 Give away good players to the Cavs
#2 Frustrate Jazz fans and players
#3 Give the Jazz one horrible record next year
This would be great to:
#1 Give away good players to the Cavs
#2 Frustrate Jazz fans and players
#3 Give the Jazz one horrible record next year
BENTLEY
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Oh yeah I forgot about his high FT%. Biedrins with a decent FT% is pretty nice. I know it's not sexy but a defensive anchor would be oh so nice. I'm still perplexed that he's described as having a high motor. Dwill_PwnasaurasRex, you're driving the JV bandwagon - can you recommend a video that you think shows off this high motor aspect of his game?
BENTLEY
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This wouldn't be all bad.
Stifle Tower
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That's what I had read. If the Jazz like him, I don't see Miller having a problem doling out $500K or whatever the NBA max is to help with buyouts. And at #3, his current team could also get more out of him if they charge him, say 1/2 of his rookie salary. Next year maybe there's more depth and he drops 5 spots.
I think it's very doable to work a deal to have him come over this season, with the provision he could play in Europe one more year if there's a lockout. He's an intriguing prospect, as is Kanter. That's the problem nowadays. Rarely do teams get 3-4 years of college to have a player develop before he enters the draft. So most draftees will be extremely raw.
The fact he's never been mentioned by the DNews or anyone else connected with the Jazz might be a good sign. KOC Is a sly dog; if he really like JV, he will probably talk up Williams and Kanter to make sure Minny takes one of those guys instead of JV.
The Thriller
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He maybe actually turn out to be decent. But does that warrant a top 3 pick?
Locke the other day said something that made sense to me. He said when you're in the top 5, you don't try and get cute. Why go after these huge gambles/question mark guys? Perhaps we ought to stick with what we know. Dwill and Knight probably are going to be pretty decent ballers. With Jonas, we could easily end up with Darko. What is his ceiling? Kristic? Noah? Even Noah to me, doesn't warrant a top 5 pick.
With him growing so much (growing still) one has to wonder if he'll have durability problems. Oftentimes these types of players have knee and joint problems due to their growth.
Locke the other day said something that made sense to me. He said when you're in the top 5, you don't try and get cute. Why go after these huge gambles/question mark guys? Perhaps we ought to stick with what we know. Dwill and Knight probably are going to be pretty decent ballers. With Jonas, we could easily end up with Darko. What is his ceiling? Kristic? Noah? Even Noah to me, doesn't warrant a top 5 pick.
With him growing so much (growing still) one has to wonder if he'll have durability problems. Oftentimes these types of players have knee and joint problems due to their growth.
Lion's Roar
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I really like Valanciunas at #3. Kanter and Valanciunas WOW factor came from a U-18 tournament where they faced each other that had scoutys drooling but if I'm not mistaken not only did Valanciunas team won but he was also the MVP of the tournament.
Locke knock on this guy was kind of laughble. He dismissed what he did in some games cause he was just bigger than everyone else......Well NEWS FLASH. He's 6'11'' with a 7'4'' wingpan. Even in the NBA he will be bigger than just about anyone else. Average height and wingspan of C's in the last 10 years in the NBA draft is 6'9'' and 7'1''. He's bigger than Derrick Favors and you can pack your team with two LONG interior players for the next 10 years. He may not have much of a post game but the dude dunks pretty much everything within 5'' of the basket. And he leads the euroleague in rebounds per minute this year. That's the Euroleague and not his national league. That's playing against teams from Lithuania, Russia, Israel, Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Serbia, Trukey, Greece, etc. That's the best in the world outside the NBA. If you believe Millsap and Faried can translate their rebounding from LSU or Morehead State to the NBA why not give the same benefit of the doubt to the guy that does pretty good in the Euroleague. He won't be ready to contribute right away. But with Jefferson, Millsap and Favors and maybe Okur the Jazz don't need him to contribute right away. If he can start to contribute by March or April like Hayward did that would be a BIG bonus. Rome wasn't built in a day and I'm pretty sure the Jazz won't either.
Locke knock on this guy was kind of laughble. He dismissed what he did in some games cause he was just bigger than everyone else......Well NEWS FLASH. He's 6'11'' with a 7'4'' wingpan. Even in the NBA he will be bigger than just about anyone else. Average height and wingspan of C's in the last 10 years in the NBA draft is 6'9'' and 7'1''. He's bigger than Derrick Favors and you can pack your team with two LONG interior players for the next 10 years. He may not have much of a post game but the dude dunks pretty much everything within 5'' of the basket. And he leads the euroleague in rebounds per minute this year. That's the Euroleague and not his national league. That's playing against teams from Lithuania, Russia, Israel, Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Serbia, Trukey, Greece, etc. That's the best in the world outside the NBA. If you believe Millsap and Faried can translate their rebounding from LSU or Morehead State to the NBA why not give the same benefit of the doubt to the guy that does pretty good in the Euroleague. He won't be ready to contribute right away. But with Jefferson, Millsap and Favors and maybe Okur the Jazz don't need him to contribute right away. If he can start to contribute by March or April like Hayward did that would be a BIG bonus. Rome wasn't built in a day and I'm pretty sure the Jazz won't either.
The Thriller
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repped
The Thriller
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Anyone actually see the game where he played against Kanter? Thoughts?
Supposedly they have played a ton of games against each other. Early on I think Kanter always got the upper hand, but towards the latter years of their rivalry Jonas started pwning him.
Noah is easily a top 5 player from his draft, arguably the 2nd best player next to Durant.
BENTLEY
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Yeah, I'm advocating anyone in the draft at this point. I'm just returning to JV for this 26th look.
Nice post, Lion's Roar. I echo Thriller's request for some footage of the "epic" battle between JV and Kanter.
He just looks so skinny and frail but his weight is decent (although he still needs more time in the gym). His rebounding sounds great, his length is great, his FT% is awesome. He's doing all this in a league much better than NCAA kids. I better start googling.
Nice post, Lion's Roar. I echo Thriller's request for some footage of the "epic" battle between JV and Kanter.
He just looks so skinny and frail but his weight is decent (although he still needs more time in the gym). His rebounding sounds great, his length is great, his FT% is awesome. He's doing all this in a league much better than NCAA kids. I better start googling.
Lion's Roar
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paraphrasing
Dr. Jack Ramsay: Joakim were you surprised you made it in the NBA with the crooked shot that you have?
Noah: No.
Dr. Jack Ramsay: I was.
Dr. Jack Ramsay: Joakim were you surprised you made it in the NBA with the crooked shot that you have?
Noah: No.
Dr. Jack Ramsay: I was.
I am downloading a torrent of the final matchup between JV and Kanter in the 2009 Euro u18 championships. I'll report what I see.
I do know that in this game Kanter had 35 pts and 19 rebounds. (I believe JV had 20 and 8, but double-checking)
In Kanter's final two games in the u18 euro championships, Kanter totalled 67 points and 44 rebounds. Not trying to be a homer, but sheesh it seems some should take these numbers at least somewhat seriously. He did, after all, play AGAINST JV in this matchup.
I do know that in this game Kanter had 35 pts and 19 rebounds. (I believe JV had 20 and 8, but double-checking)
In Kanter's final two games in the u18 euro championships, Kanter totalled 67 points and 44 rebounds. Not trying to be a homer, but sheesh it seems some should take these numbers at least somewhat seriously. He did, after all, play AGAINST JV in this matchup.