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Any chance Vesley could slip to #12? I'd be stoked with Kanter and Vesely, the Dunking Ninja or whatever his name is. That **** would excite me like crazy. Biyombo, Singleton or Burks would excite me at #12 too.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Why would he bother to check out Kanter in a few days, then?
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You're always gonna do your due diligence on just about every player expected to be drafted.

Eminem said:
Please draft williams.If we draft Kanter please get a good trade for one of our bigs to pick up a sg or sf.
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I'm just afraid Williams will be gone at 2. Dream draft for me would be T-Wolves continue their stupidity and take Kanter. We get Williams at 3 then trade our 12+ to move up however many spots to take Knight. *DROOL*
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
Any chance Vesley could slip to #12? I'd be stoked with Kanter and Vesely, the Dunking Ninja or whatever his name is. That **** would excite me like crazy. Biyombo, Singleton or Burks would excite me at #12 too.
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While his dunking does excite me, I just see Joe Alexander written all over him. Super athletic player who isn't skilled enough to play the 3 in the NBA. I can see Vesely excelling in a high tempo where he can play the 4, like the Suns/Knicks/Golden State, but not with us.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
Any chance Vesley could slip to #12? I'd be stoked with Kanter and Vesely, the Dunking Ninja or whatever his name is. That **** would excite me like crazy. Biyombo, Singleton or Burks would excite me at #12 too.
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For what it's worth, of the mock drafts that I'm tracking:

* only 1 has Vesely slipping to 12
* 3 have Biyombo slipping to 12
* nearly all have Singleton available at 12
* 6 have Burks slipping to 12
 
Could Harris net us the 5th, 6th, or 7th pick. My dream draft would be draft Kanter or williams 3, trade Harris for 5, 6, or 7 and draft knight or walker. With the 12th pick take Donatas if we draft Williams, if we take Kanter draft ether Thompson Singleton or Hamilton.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Could Harris net us the 5th, 6th, or 7th pick. My dream draft would be draft Kanter or williams 3, trade Harris for 5, 6, or 7 and draft knight or walker. With the 12th pick take Donatas if we draft Williams, if we take Kanter draft ether Thompson Singleton or Hamilton.
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No.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Could Harris net us the 5th, 6th, or 7th pick. My dream draft would be draft Kanter or williams 3, trade Harris for 5, 6, or 7 and draft knight or walker. With the 12th pick take Donatas if we draft Williams, if we take Kanter draft ether Thompson Singleton or Hamilton.
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No. Maybe Harris and our 12+.
 
If the Jazz take Knight at #3, I'd bet it's 50-50 that the Jazz would draft Montiejunas at 12 if he's there. Monti would be the new Okur, a stretch-4 big man off the bench, who *might* be able to play some center.
 
somebody said:
Can someone explain Brandon Knight to me?

I realize that there is more to a player than his stats, but Knight's stats leave me wondering what that "more" is:

FG% .423
3PT% .377
AST 4.2
TO 3.2

I haven't seen him play, so enlighten me, please.
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Seriously? Let's see...here are Knight's and Irving's stats:

17 pts, 4 rebs, 4 assists, 3.2 to, 1.33 as/to, 0.7 stl, 42% fg, 37% 3pt, 80% ft, 1.28 pps
17 pts, 3 rebs, 4 assists, 2.5 to, 1.74 as/to, 1.5 stl, 53% fg, 46% 3pt, 90% ft, 1.85 pps

Hmmm....Irving played 11 games, most against weak competition. Knight played the whole season, with a bunch of freshmen (not including losing potentially their best player before the season), led his team to the final four (how far did Duke go, with far more experience?), is a year younger, is bigger, etc, etc, etc. Now, I don't know who will be better between the two, but as far as potential goes, they are neck and neck. As far as experience goes, Knight is ahead.

You may like Irving, but to say Knight is nowhere near the level Irving is is just stupid. You have 11 games of Irving, including powerhouses such as Princeton, Miami (Ohio), Colgate, Bradley, St Louis, Elon. Knight did the SAME stats against a full ACC schedule, and taking a team to the final four.

p.s. Some claim that Irving's shooting percentages show he is a better player, and that Knight's turnovers late in the season show that he isn't as good. I wonder what would have happened to Irving had he played the teams Knight was playing against during that stretch? I wonder if his turnover's would have increased? I wonder if he could have kept up that high shooting %'s.

Again, you can like Irving better than Knight, that is fine, but you cannot say Knight isn't very, very close to the player Irving is. Unless you have been sitting in on the personal workouts and have seen something huge glaring weakness between the two. And if you have, I am jealous of you.
 
green said:
Seriously? Let's see...here are Knight's and Irving's stats:

17 pts, 4 rebs, 4 assists, 3.2 to, 1.33 as/to, 0.7 stl, 42% fg, 37% 3pt, 80% ft, 1.28 pps
17 pts, 3 rebs, 4 assists, 2.5 to, 1.74 as/to, 1.5 stl, 53% fg, 46% 3pt, 90% ft, 1.85 pps

Hmmm....Irving played 11 games, most against weak competition. Knight played the whole season, with a bunch of freshmen (not including losing potentially their best player before the season), led his team to the final four (how far did Duke go, with far more experience?), is a year younger, is bigger, etc, etc, etc. Now, I don't know who will be better between the two, but as far as potential goes, they are neck and neck. As far as experience goes, Knight is ahead.

You may like Irving, but to say Knight is nowhere near the level Irving is is just stupid. You have 11 games of Irving, including powerhouses such as Princeton, Miami (Ohio), Colgate, Bradley, St Louis, Elon. Knight did the SAME stats against a full ACC schedule, and taking a team to the final four.

p.s. Some claim that Irving's shooting percentages show he is a better player, and that Knight's turnovers late in the season show that he isn't as good. I wonder what would have happened to Irving had he played the teams Knight was playing against during that stretch? I wonder if his turnover's would have increased? I wonder if he could have kept up that high shooting %'s.

Again, you can like Irving better than Knight, that is fine, but you cannot say Knight isn't very, very close to the player Irving is. Unless you have been sitting in on the personal workouts and have seen something huge glaring weakness between the two. And if you have, I am jealous of you.
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I think Irving is a better shooter. I will say that given a full season, his percentages probably would be a bit lower. He ranks higher than Knight because he is more of a pure point guard whereas Knight is more of a combo guard who is improving at the PG.
 
trigg3r said:
I think Irving is a better shooter. I will say that given a full season, his percentages probably would be a bit lower. He ranks higher than Knight because he is more of a pure point guard whereas Knight is more of a combo guard who is improving at the PG.
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I don't argue with what you say, the poster I quoted wanted to know why Knight is rated so high. You may like Irving over Knight or visa versa. I just don't believe there is a big difference between the two. Throw in Callipari's success with NBA guards, and the fact the Utah has a starting pg, and could use a guy to backup Harris now, take over later, and play a little sg at the same time, Knight could be an amazing guard for Utah.

That being said, take the BPA. It's up to KOC to find that person.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
I have this feeling too. KOC has shown how much he values PG's in the past, so it makes sense. I think he will workout others out to see if anyone "wows" him.
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This doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I'm sure KOC (along with everyone else) values PG's (that are good). It all comes down to BPA. If KOC thinks Kanter/Williams are better than Knight then he isn't going to pass on them just because he wants the next available PG.

This is like saying that Toronto values big guys (as clearly evidenced by the fact that Chris Bosh played on their team for a few years) so with their pick they'll take the giant from USC as he is the next big guy on the board even though Brandon Knight is available for them. And I hope that you gather that the scenario I just presented is hypothetical.
 
green said:
I don't argue with what you say, the poster I quoted wanted to know why Knight is rated so high. You may like Irving over Knight or visa versa. I just don't believe there is a big difference between the two. Throw in Callipari's success with NBA guards, and the fact the Utah has a starting pg, and could use a guy to backup Harris now, take over later, and play a little sg at the same time, Knight could be an amazing guard for Utah.

That being said, take the BPA. It's up to KOC to find that person.
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That's the problem with your argument. You are basing it off of what coach Cal has done with previous guards. Brandon Knight is not Wall, Tyreke, or Rose. Could he be a very good player, yes. Will he ever be elite? I highly doubt it. That being said, I don't think Irving will ever be elite. He will be very solid IMO and better than Knight but not elite. Ford compares Irving to "a poor man's Chris Paul." I see that as pretty accurate. I am not dogging on Knight, I am just saying that overall Irving is the better PG IMO.
 
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