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Last game of the season -- Jazz @ Blazers 4/11/2018 8:30 pm MST

LifeOnaPlate said:
Someone asked a question about Snyder getting out-coached, made a few suggestions about what Utah should've done differently defensively and Locke lost it. Basically said the suggestions were really stupid, etc.
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Locke is like most of the posters on the board. That if you aren't 100% in love with everything Jazz you are a horrible fan. Except their are some exceptions you can be critical of a few designated players like AB.

The Blazer had less to play for than the Jazz win or lose they would have had home court. They just were playing for the pride if winning the division. Synder didn't make adjustments besides throwing Neto in the game. Also, anyone else worried that we don't have a plan B when the shots are not falling?

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Also, Locke is funny because he is always critical of everyone else's basketball knowledge. But, he is an expert because he put together a spreadsheet that he always uses and his followers worship. I listen to him because he is close to the team. But, five years ago he was all Boozer over Millsap. Last year you would have thought Hayward was his teenage crush. So, he is a homer that can't think critical of the Jazz.

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Ron Mexico said:
Home court advantage is dwindling in the NBA. There is a lot to it but it's not really that big of a deal anymore. But and Denver have a bit of one due to altitude. Regardless I am positive players don't care about it in the playoffs. Just like last year for the Jazz when they only won 1 home game in the playoffs. The better team will win and that's hiw the players view it.
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So hypothetically if homecourt was not decided by seeding, record, or division winner or anything and was instead decided by the winner of a coin toss getting to choose, then if the jazz won that coin toss do you think they would, A. give homecourt to okc. B. not care either way and instead just let okc decide. Or C. take homecourt? Im 100% certain they would choose C.

Or to put it another way, if there ends up being a game 7 in this series and hypothetically there was a coin toss to determine where its played and the jazz won the toss where do you think they would want to play that game 7? Im 100% certain they would choose SLC.
 
Mission Accomplished said:
Also, Locke is funny because he is always critical of everyone else's basketball knowledge. But, he is an expert because he put together a spreadsheet that he always uses and his followers worship. I listen to him because he is close to the team. But, five years ago he was all Boozer over Millsap. Last year you would have thought Hayward was his teenage crush. So, he is a homer that can't think critical of the Jazz.

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Despite his homerism, Locke also lets his numbers dictate a lot of what he says about the team. He did a co-podcast with the Locked on Thunder host and really game it to him with the numbers, and even gestured to where Utah's numbers were comparatively weak. If anything, Locke is a little too tied to his statistical approach, but I like listening to it anyway. It can be just as interesting to listen to Locke and disagree with him as you listen than to agree with everything. Listening to the Pelicans guy made me realize how much more interested I am in stats and trends. The Locked on Thunder guy was nice, but basically just spoke from the gut. "Players will turn it on in the playoffs," or "so-and-so has been struggling", without knowing actual trends. He made a point of saying that Westbrook is really clutch in the playoffs and Locke had the numbers ready that basically refuted that claim. It was pretty funny, though accidentally.
 
fishonjazz said:
So hypothetically if homecourt was not decided by seeding, record, or division winner or anything and was instead decided by the winner of a coin toss getting to choose, then if the jazz won that coin toss do you think they would, A. give homecourt to okc. B. not care either way and instead just let okc decide. Or C. take homecourt? Im 100% certain they would choose C.

Or to put it another way, if there ends up being a game 7 in this series and hypothetically there was a coin toss to determine where its played and the jazz won the toss where do you think they would want to play that game 7? Im 100% certain they would choose SLC.
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I don't know what they would choose but I don't think they would care that much. The front office would care because of money.

I think it might be split with the players. Some like to play on the road and feel more focused on the road. Some like the comforts and familiarity of home. Some like to perform in front of the home crowd, some like the underdog role playing away.
 
Home teams do tend to win more but its not a big margin and there are other factors. Such as home teams in the NBA usually have more rest. We all know that rested teams in the NBA win more.

Home teams only win game 6 49% of the time. 4 vs 5 seed is 50/50 who wins the series. So I dont think having home court matters to teams in that match up and data backs that up. In the conference finals home teams win 50% of the time.

There is some advantage to playing at home but in a 7 game series of teams about the same there is no advantage to getting home court in the series.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I don't know what they would choose but I don't think they would care that much. The front office would care because of money.

I think it might be split with the players. Some like to play on the road and feel more focused on the road. Some like the comforts and familiarity of home. Some like to perform in front of the home crowd, some like the underdog role playing away.
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I think you know that they would choose homecourt but have your heels dug in on this one.
 
fishonjazz said:
I think you know that they would choose homecourt but have your heels dug in on this one.
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I certainly think some would. Personally I think you and others have made a bigger deal out of it than it is and most players dont care. I have dug my heels in because I disagree that 100% of players want home court. I know for a fact that is not true. I think you have dug your heels in on the other side have made the argument easy for me by claiming 100% of nba players feel exactly the same about this issue. Even if 1 player doesnt agree that makes your statement incorrect, which it is.

Personally I would rather play a competitive event on the road. I strongly preferred that when I played sports.

You cited winning and stats as a reason for preferring home court and I showed that there is not a statistical advantage. It is 50/50 for games that matter. Such as the 4/5 seed matchup that is 50/50 so home court is meaningless.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I certainly think some would. Personally I think you and others have made a bigger deal out of it than it is and most players dont care. I have dug my heels in because I disagree that 100% of players want home court. I know for a fact that is not true. I think you have dug your heels in on the other side have made the argument easy for me by claiming 100% of nba players feel exactly the same about this issue. Even if 1 player doesnt agree that makes your statement incorrect, which it is.

Personally I would rather play a competitive event on the road. I strongly preferred that when I played sports.

You cited winning and stats as a reason for preferring home court and I showed that there is not a statistical advantage. It is 50/50 for games that matter. Such as the 4/5 seed matchup that is 50/50 so home court is meaningless.
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See i think that players want to win. Winning at home is more likely than on the road. Its as simple as that. Every oddsmaker in the entire world looks to see where the game is being played before setting the odds for the game and where the game is played plays a part in what the spread for the game will be. They do this for a reason. Teams win more often at home than on the road and there are reasons for that. The crowd has an effect on the game (albeit minor, but still), the refs officiate a little differently for the home team hence the term home cooking. Speaking of home cooking, you get your home locker room and your home rims and court and don't have to stay in a hotel.


Btw i never said every player wants to play at home. I said that if the jazz as a team could simply decide where they want to play the majority of their games in this series then they would choose slc over okc simply due to the fact that it slightly increases their chance of winning the series.

I think LOP said it best.... The jazz wanted homecourt but were not desperate for it. It wasn't a huge deal. They believe they can win on the road. Im simply saying that it matter a little bit and if they had the choice then they would choose to play at home for a game 7. If you truly are right and it doesn't matter at all then im kinda pissed that quin played gobert, mitchell, or rubio at all in the portland game.
 
fishonjazz said:
See i think that players want to win. Winning at home is more likely than on the road. Its as simple as that. Every oddsmaker in the entire world looks to see where the game is being played before setting the odds for the game and where the game is played plays a part in what the spread for the game will be. They do this for a reason. Teams win more often at home than on the road and there are reasons for that. The crowd has an effect on the game (albeit minor, but still), the refs officiate a little differently for the home team hence the term home cooking. Speaking of home cooking, you get your home locker room and your home rims and court and don't have to stay in a hotel.


Btw i never said every player wants to play at home. I said that if the jazz as a team could simply decide where they want to play the majority of their games in this series then they would choose slc over okc simply due to the fact that it slightly increases their chance of winning the series.

I think LOP said it best.... The jazz wanted homecourt but were not desperate for it. It wasn't a huge deal. They believe they can win on the road. Im simply saying that it matter a little bit and if they had the choice then they would choose to play at home for a game 7. If you truly are right and it doesn't matter at all then im kinda pissed that quin played gobert, mitchell, or rubio at all in the portland game.
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Players do want to win. I dont think homecourt matters in the playoffs for winning and put some information about that. I also think even if data suggests a team is slightly more likely to win at home that players feel the same way. Most competitive players think they can win anywhere and dont care about home or away. I am sure there is a variety of feelings about it from players.

Home court is far more important to fans and owners than Players and Coaches.
 
From 1998-2008, home teams in the regular season won 7,021 games while losing 4,569 games for a winning percentage of 60.6.

During this same period of time, home teams in the postseason won 513 games while losing only 278. The winning percentage in the playoffs for home teams was 64.9 (more than four percentage points higher than it was for home teams in the regular season).

However, some of this disparity can be explained away by the nature of playoff seeding. The teams finishing with better regular season records are the ones given home-court advantage in the postseason.

Therefore, it is difficult to determine how much of a team's home-court success can be attributed to the fans and the arena as opposed to the fact that they are simply the better team in a particular matchup.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1520496-how-important-is-home-court-advantage-in-the-nba
 
Ron Mexico said:
Players do want to win. I dont think homecourt matters in the playoffs for winning and put some information about that. I also think even if data suggests a team is slightly more likely to win at home that players feel the same way. Most competitive players think they can win anywhere and dont care about home or away. I am sure there is a variety of feelings about it from players.

Home court is far more important to fans and owners than Players and Coaches.
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I haven't been saying that homecourt is more important to players and coaches than fans. Also haven't been saying that most competitive players think they cant win in any particular place.
 
fishonjazz said:
I haven't been saying that homecourt is more important to players and coaches than fans. Also haven't been saying that most competitive players think they cant win in any particular place.
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Sure, you are saying they care about getting home court because that equates to winning. I disagree with both. I think it might to some but not that many.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Sure, you are saying they care about getting home court because that equates to winning. I disagree with both. I think it might to some but not that many.
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Your post was just confusing cause you said that homecourt matters more to fans and owners than coaches and players.... which insinuates that it does in fact matter to coaches and players just not as much as it does to fans and owners. Which makes it seem like you do think it matters to the players and coaches, like i do, just not as much as fans and owners.
 
fishonjazz said:
Your post was just confusing cause you said that homecourt matters more to fans and owners than coaches and players.... which insinuates that it does in fact matter to coaches and players just not as much as it does to fans and owners. Which makes it seem like you do think it matters to the players and coaches, like i do, just not as much as fans and owners.
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No, I am just pointing out that its something that matters a lot to fans, not players.

I am also taking the players and coaches at face value who said they dont care about home court. Do you think Snyder was lying?
 
Ron Mexico said:
No, I am just pointing out that its something that matters a lot to fans, not players.

I am also taking the players and coaches at face value who said they dont care about home court. Do you think Snyder was lying?
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That’s not how I took Snyder’s comments. I don’t think he was literally saying they didn’t care, but saying that you need to have you focus being on each game and not having your eyes scoreboard watching or something you can’t control — focus on the game at hand. So he says that in context of not making excuses or letting where you play affect what you’re doing or what your game plan is, but not saying that they honestly don’t care.
 
Ron Mexico said:
No, I am just pointing out that its something that matters a lot to fans, not players.

I am also taking the players and coaches at face value who said they dont care about home court. Do you think Snyder was lying?
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Yes.
I think players and coaches lie to the media quite often. They even have a name for it. Coach Speak.
 
LifeOnaPlate said:
Many answers given by players and coaches to media folks are reflective of desired team philosophy and attitude, not the unvarnished literal truth.
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Agreed
 
fishonjazz said:
Agreed
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We should add, their answers aren't therefore useless. For instance, I think it's safe to say that Mitchell would love to win ROY. Whenever he's asked about it, though, he's been modest. Saying it would be a real honor, saying Simmons is a solid candidate, saying he values the team more than a personal award. To me, these answers suggest that Mitchell genuinely wants to be a team guy, wants to appear humble, doesn't want to get ahead of himself. It shows a media savvy and a maturity that bodes well for his future. But it is partly just theater.
 
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