Texas school shooting

[Zombie]

If you want to have a dialogue with people then don't open with a statement that is utter ******** that has been made up by a couple newspaper articles and stating it as fact.

By your logic, having police patrol the highways and neighborhoods increases violence. Do you see why someone with an IQ above 1 would write you off as a dumbass?

There aren't any studies proving what you beli eve to be fact. I've looked foir them.

Welcome to my ignore list bucko.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I think it less than coincidence that virtually every state in the top 20 with the highest gun deaths per capita is a red state.

I think that speaks volumes about guns and the mindset of those who own them.

If only the problem was that simple. Take a look at the 20 highest cities. Lots of blue in there.

 

[Miggs]

If only the problem was that simple. Take a look at the 20 highest cities. Lots of blue in there.

Per capita?

 

[Miggs]

https://bismarcktribune.com/news/na..._5a789407-4d43-5403-ad56-7c47880bda8e.html#27

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Gotcha.

I do understand. I really do. And I respect that fact and even love many things about it.

I think the culture simply needs to adapt in an intelligent manner, embracing their core values while integrating changes (ie, basic gun reform laws like those just mentioned by dude a few posts up) that seem fundamental in moving toward a better society.

It applies both ways and this school problem definitely has some of the more rural type-ish concerned. Something has to give. I'd accept a ton of more regulations that I wouldn't have even given consideration to 15 years ago, slippery slope and all. I also know plenty of people who would tell me to kiss their *** so we have a way to go still. For me, it's plainly not appropriate for us gun owners to ignore the body count that keeps stacking up and write off everything by the 2nd Ammendment alone. GF had a good idea about militias that I disagreed with but at least it was an alternative proppsal.

 

[Miggs]

Welcome to my ignore list bucko.

Bucko. Lol. I enjoyed that.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Per capita?

Yes

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

https://bismarcktribune.com/news/na..._5a789407-4d43-5403-ad56-7c47880bda8e.html#27

Just looking at the top 10, four of those are red. My guess it continues in a similar ratio on down the list.

 

[Gameface]

Guns don't kill people, too many doors kill people.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/19/us/texas-school-shooting-exits-trnd/index.html

"There are too many entrances and too many exits to our over 8,000 campuses in Texas. There aren't enough people to put a guard in every entrance and exit," Patrick said, suggesting officials consider retrofitting existing schools to reduce doorways.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Guns don't kill people, too many doors kill people.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/19/us/texas-school-shooting-exits-trnd/index.html

It's more systemic in Utah than just that. When I grew up in the early '80's, non-students had to check in at the front office first. Now, at my kid's school, adults come and go as they please. I've seen people parking in the playground when the back gate is open and assholes taking unleashed dogs on an active playground to pick up kids.

I want these places to become like prisons. Some are against that but if we can protect basketball arenas with a plethora of guards then why can't we do the same at our more important schools?

 

[The Thriller]

Guns don't kill people, too many doors kill people.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/19/us/texas-school-shooting-exits-trnd/index.html

Right? Limiting the # of doors will save lives. Yet limiting the # of guns won't? Interesting logic.

Furthermore, I'm interesting in what the Fire Marshall thinks about limiting doors in large schools... Could you imagine the chaos of 1,400 students trying to escape through one entry/exit? That's how big Santa Fe was. Imagine a large local school like Corner Canyon High School, Lone Peak, or Herriman where 2,000+ students are trying to exit through a single point? Insane.

Hell, I'm interested in how limiting the # of doors makes them safer against a shooter(s). I'd think that a simple pulling of the fire alarm forcing a stampede towards a single entry/exit would create a perfect killing field for a shooter.

 

[The Thriller]

It's more systemic in Utah than just that. When I grew up in the early '80's, non-students had to check in at the front office first. Now, at my kid's school, adults come and go as they please. I've seen people parking in the playground when the back gate is open and assholes taking unleashed dogs on an active playground to pick up kids.

I want these places to become like prisons. Some are against that but if we can protect basketball arenas with a plethora of guards then why can't we do the same at our more important schools?

Or we could look at gun control so we don't have to turn schools into prisons. Gun control works in literally every other industrialized country. America should try it sometime!



https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1826142891

 

[JazzGal]

Would you be cool with parent volunteers who pay for and pass a background check, take security training and have several neighbors vouch for their integrity acting as armed patrol? That patrol would have no police authority over anything other than safety, so no external issues should impact the kids.

I have 2 children in grade school. I want them and all others safe. I would willingly donate my time and money to campus my children's school 1 day a week. I bet plenty other parents would do so as well.

I prefer raising taxes and putting at least 1 cop in each school but we all know how that would happen. UTA needs $50 million for a stupid name change, how are we going to afford to keep the children safe?

I'm sending this idea off to my area senator and representative (state, not DC) but want a sounding board first.

While this may make parents feel good, I don't think it would do much to deter a shooter. I agree with most of the reasons that @Zombie pointed out.

I do not think there is a good solution to the gun violence in this country because of the way gun ownership is viewed. We might pass a law or two and feel good about ourselves, but unless we completely changed our mindset about guns, it won't make much of a difference. It's likely too late now, so we will live with the consequences. I'm sadly resigned to that.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

While this may make parents feel good, I don't think it would do much to deter a shooter. I agree with most of the reasons that @Zombie pointed out.

I do not think there is a good solution to the gun violence in this country because of the way gun ownership is viewed. We might pass a law or two and feel good about ourselves, but unless we completely changed our mindset about guns, it won't make much of a difference. It's likely too late now, so we will live with the consequences. I'm sadly resigned to that.

I don't agree. What zombie has posted has no logical backing. A proper armed guard presence will undoubtedly reduce these incidences or at minimum the casualties. It will be costly but a cost worthy of paying for.

Something will be done about our problem no doubt but it needs support from those who support a right to protect themselves combined with the anti-gun crowd not being so radical about it and not seeing the other point of view.

 

[One Brow]

Something will be done about our problem no doubt but it needs support from those who support a right to protect themselves combined with the anti-gun crowd not being so radical about it and not seeing the other point of view.

Are you saying that the people who support a right to protect themselves is somehow different from the anti-gun crowd? That's pretty loaded language.

 

[gandalfe]

It's likely too late now, so we will live with the consequences. I'm sadly resigned to that.

Well, SOME of us will live with the consequences.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Are you saying that the people who support a right to protect themselves is somehow different from the anti-gun crowd? That's pretty loaded language.

You have a quaint way of responding. With loaded responsoes like here. O Quaint B. Loaded language folks.

 

[JazzGal]

At some point, when do we decide that living in constant fear is accomplishing nothing toward making our country safer? We are choosing to continually give up our freedoms and our humanity so that we can feel more secure. Politicians are feeding that fear as it keeps them in power. Children now have the sense that their school is next and that it is inevitable. We've created a situation where the risk is way overblown and we are reacting in knee-jerk fashion. We think barricading our children in prison-like structures is the only way to make them safe.

The exception to this fear society is the Second Amendment. Guns seem to be where the line is drawn. Guns don't kill, after all, right? So we will have armed guards at every school, and kids will still die just like they do now with armed guards at schools. But we will feel better somehow.

 

[One Brow]

You have a quaint way of responding. With loaded responsoes like here. O Quaint B. Loaded language folks.

Tu quoque, or rubber/glue?

 

[Miggs]

At some point, when do we decide that living in constant fear is accomplishing nothing toward making our country safer? We are choosing to continually give up our freedoms and our humanity so that we can feel more secure. Politicians are feeding that fear as it keeps them in power. Children now have the sense that their school is next and that it is inevitable. We've created a situation where the risk is way overblown and we are reacting in knee-jerk fashion. We think barricading our children in prison-like structures is the only way to make them safe.

The exception to this fear society is the Second Amendment. Guns seem to be where the line is drawn. Guns don't kill, after all, right? So we will have armed guards at every school, and kids will still die just like they do now with armed guards at schools. But we will feel better somehow.

Everybody runs, Lamar. Everybody runs.