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Saint Cy of JFC said:
I don't completely buy that the Jazz dont make promises.
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They might tell them that they are strongly considering but I doubt it’s a full “we will take you no matter what” type of promise. Especially with the value they place on workouts and him not doing one in Utah.

I believe Tony more than the other guy.
 
LoPo said:
If you guys could have anybody in this draft (regardless of draft projection), who would it be and why?

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Doncic - cuz he’s a mother effing winner and will murder it in the nba. He works with almost any team which is a huge benefit in team building. I can’t believe teams are second guessing the kid.
 
LoPo said:
If you guys could have anybody in this draft (regardless of draft projection), who would it be and why?

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Doncic... or Porter Jr if I KNEW he would be healthy. Because they are the best two players in the draft IMO. And both have attributes and skills we need - shooting and offensive creation. Doncic has a ton of playmaking too.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They might tell them that they are strongly considering but I doubt it’s a full “we will take you no matter what” type of promise. Especially with the value they place on workouts and him not doing one in Utah.

I believe Tony more than the other guy.
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If the Jazz made an actual promise, they wouldnt tell anyone about it. The Jazz are tight-lipped. Not calling Tony a liar or anything, but I just think if the Jazz did promise (and I do believe it's something they are generally against and usually wouldnt do) they would do it very discreetly and just like how it's playing out now.

Think about it: He has a scheduled workout for Utah after his LA workout. He then plans to go home and make his decision about to stay in the draft or not. He ends up cancelling the Utah workout so he can go home early and decide. Since then he hasnt had any other workouts. At first glance your probably think "Oh, LA must have promised him", which is exactly what Utah would want people to think if they promised him. Since the Jazz dont do promises, then they would have to really really love a player to promise him. Love him so much that all they needed was an interview, measurements, and medicals they got from the combine, an individual workout wasnt necessary. The Jazz have a pretty good relationship with his agent. Yes, I know the whole Hayward thing, but Utah has gotten two of his clients paid and improved beyond their original projections. It would make a lot of sense for him to want his client to end up in Utah.
 
Here's a new site with info on the draft and scouting reports on prospects:
https://thefrontofficeeye.com/

The guy is a long-term good RealGM poster and it seems like he's been in an NBA front office before. He dropped some Zhaire Smith and Lonnie Walker scouting reports on our Jazz RealGM sub-forum and I liked it, so... spreading the word around a bit, since there isn't much high quality content for free nowadays with Givony and Schmitz going behind a paywall.

Here's the guy's post on realgm with some info about what they will be doing(he's partnering with Frankie Vision channel on youtube to make scouting videos like the old DX ones):

FrontOfficeEye said:
Link: https://thefrontofficeeye.com/2018/06/03/zhaire-smith-breakdown/

Link: https://thefrontofficeeye.com/2018/05/26/lonnie-walker-breakdown/

Hey guys, I've been making draft profiles in the DraftExpress model with Synergy stats + video, analysis, and basic scouting reports. The above two links are on Zhaire and Lonnie, but I have others on Huerter, Justin Jackson, SGA, Robert Williams, and others. Frankie Vision and I are now collaborating on the videos starting with Zhaire onward (I'll be doing the scouting reports and video breakdowns, and Frankie will finalize the editing, add the music, etc).

Anyways, next up is Bags (which is in final production now), Doncic (almost done), and Anfernee (beginning stages).

Hope y'all enjoy! Spread the word!!! Could use some clicks.

About me in spoilers for those who want to know about my experience

A brief about me - interned in the front office of a team helping with scouting, stats and analytics, contracts, and with coaches when they needed. Before that, was scouted for D3 but ended up at Vanderbilt where I was going to walk on before senior year (12-13)...before back spasms came the day before the open gym. Then went to law school where I focused my studies on IP/contract related work.

Trying to get back...badly, so I've been networking (and working) since graduating. Spoke with execs/personnel in every FO and got some damn good responses on the stuff I've put out there. Heading out to Vegas during SL to watch games and meet with FO personnel. Hopefully I land a job with a team before (or at SL) and go from there.

Hope y'all enjoy! Spread the word!!!
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
If the Jazz made an actual promise, they wouldnt tell anyone about it. The Jazz are tight-lipped. Not calling Tony a liar or anything, but I just think if the Jazz did promise (and I do believe it's something they are generally against and usually wouldnt do) they would do it very discreetly and just like how it's playing out now.

Think about it: He has a scheduled workout for Utah after his LA workout. He then plans to go home and make his decision about to stay in the draft or not. He ends up cancelling the Utah workout so he can go home early and decide. Since then he hasnt had any other workouts. At first glance your probably think "Oh, LA must have promised him", which is exactly what Utah would want people to think if they promised him. Since the Jazz dont do promises, then they would have to really really love a player to promise him. Love him so much that all they needed was an interview, measurements, and medicals they got from the combine, an individual workout wasnt necessary. The Jazz have a pretty good relationship with his agent. Yes, I know the whole Hayward thing, but Utah has gotten two of his clients paid and improved beyond their original projections. It would make a lot of sense for him to want his client to end up in Utah.
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Inconceivable!

I doubt it, but whatevs. What if a trade up possibility happens and a guy we love is available like Miles Bridges? How strong is that promise?

Making a promise to him would make sense because he was on the fence about going back.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Isn’t the midrange shot the worst shot you can take. Isn’t threes and layups the type of shots teams hunt for?
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No doubt, but we're scouting people's talent. He's not as talented as the guys we're comparing him with. If I hire an electrical engineer and he's doesn't know what the internet is I get worried, even if it's not related to the job I'm hiring him for. Get my drift?
 
Bodhi said:
People will pretend they didn’t sleep on Allen in a couple of years....
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I'll go on record and re-iterate that I would draft the following guys ahead of Grayson Allen: Jerome Robinson, Kevin Huerter, Anfernee Simons, and probably even Gary Trent Jr. Depending on the team and the development situation, I might take Melvin Frazier and Okogie before Allen as well.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I don't completely buy that the Jazz dont make promises.
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There's a difference between a 'hard' promise and a promise with contingencies. A hard promise would be to say, "We'll stay at 21 and draft you there if you're available." A softer promise with contingencies would be, "If we decide to stay at #21 and you're on the board, we will draft you there, but we're looking at other options, including trades that could affect our decision to draft you."

I think the Jazz do make the latter kind of promise, since it's easy to do it and doesn't paint them in a corner. They apparently promised to draft CJ Miles back in the day and took him in the 2nd round after they traded away a late 1st-round pick to move up for DWill.
 
Catchall said:
Just want to say that Jerome Robinson is a dramatically better offensive player than Grayson Allen. Robinson was 2nd in the ACC in scoring behind Marvin Bagley and carried his team offensively consistently facing traps and double teams. His defense is a question mark, but the idea that the Jazz would draft Grayson Allen ahead of some other guys who proved more as younger players seems ludicrous to me.
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He's so underrated it's disgusting. He's proving himself in workouts right now. Allen is testing well, but we'll see the true value of both of these players come draft night.
 
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