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*Breaking News* Kawhi Wants Out

fishonjazz said:
Duh. But again, like I said to you before, the spurs don’t just get to pick and choose who they get. Kahwi is leaving. They have to take the best offer they can get. Boston can offer better and more assets than the lakers even without including Tatum.

By your logic, the spurs should just trade kahwi to the warriors for curry and Durant. But the spurs don’t decide what teams have to include in trades. Celtics don’t need to offer Tatum and they still can offer a better trade than the lakers.
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I give the Spurs and Buford more credit than just being handcuffed by Kawhi. Like I'd said I bet he'll play the Lakers offer off of Celtics offer and negotiate the best deal for his franchise.

Let's just see how good he is. Remember that Buford was DL's mentor.. I personally would have A LOT of confidence on what he can pull off.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Like I'd said I bet he'll play the Lakers offer off of Celtics offer and negotiate the best deal for his franchise.
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Exactly.
Which is the better set of assets to offer for him to get the best deal for his franchise?
A. Kyrie, Hayward, Brown, picks and kahwi in the east
B. Kuzma, ball, Ingram, picks and kahwi in the west.

So you said it yourself, the spurs gm will negotiate the best deal for his franchise. The Celtics can offer the best deal. Even while keeping Tatum.
 
If I were Popovich, I’d threaten to sit Kawhi for the entirety of 18-19. Seeing how Leonard is playing this, I bet the franchise and the city would be behind him, too.

Ainge would raise the pot, because the pot is his primary strength. Getting a top-5 player would be worth it to let SA pick the players/assets they want.
 
fishonjazz said:
Exactly.
Which is the better set of assets to offer for him to get the best deal for his franchise?
A. Kyrie, Hayward, Brown, picks and kahwi in the east
B. Kuzma, ball, Ingram, picks and kahwi in the west.

So you said it yourself, the spurs gm will negotiate the best deal for his franchise. The Celtics can offer the best deal. Even while keeping Tatum.
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I doubt Celtics would give up Kyrie, Hayward and Brown over Tatum..
 
ONE LOVE said:
I doubt Celtics would give up Kyrie, Hayward and Brown over Tatum..
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You can doubt and speculate all you want. All I kept saying is that the Celtics can keep Tatum and still offer the spurs more than the lakers. And get kahwi out of the west. I’m right about that.
 
fishonjazz said:
You can doubt and speculate all you want. All I kept saying is that the Celtics can keep Tatum and still offer the spurs more than the lakers. And get kahwi out of the west. I’m right about that.
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But they're unlikely gonna offer the Spurs Kyrie, Hayward, Brown and picks.

The idea of the Celtics getting Kawhi is to win Championship. If they're giving up Kyrie, Hayward and Brown, who do they have left? Kawhi and Horford. That's not gonna get it done.

Why are we talking about an unrealistic offer when in reality it won't ever happen?
 
ONE LOVE said:
But they're unlikely gonna offer the Spurs Kyrie, Hayward, Brown and picks.

The idea of the Celtics getting Kawhi is to win Championship. If they're giving up Kyrie, Hayward and Brown, who do they have left? Kawhi and Horford. That's not gonna get it done.

Why are we talking about an unrealistic offer when in reality it won't ever happen?
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They don’t have to offer all that.

You seem to think the lakers would offer Ingram and a pick. So all the Celtics have to do to beat that is offer Hayward and a pick (Hayward > ingram) or offer kyrie and a pick (kyrie > than ingram). Hell, I think brown Is better than ingram too. Celtics don’t need to offer much to beat what the lakers can offer.
Plus the spurs don’t want to trade Leonard to a team in the west on top of everything else.
 
Boston has way better picks to offer as well.
In 2019 they have Philadelphia or Sacramento’s first rounder, Memphis pick, clippers pick and their own.
 
fishonjazz said:
They don’t have to offer all that.

You seem to think the lakers would offer Ingram and a pick. So all the Celtics have to do to beat that is offer Hayward and a pick (Hayward > ingram) or offer kyrie and a pick (kyrie > than ingram). Hell, I think brown Is better than ingram too. Celtics don’t need to offer much to beat what the lakers can offer.
Plus the spurs don’t want to trade Leonard to a team in the west on top of everything else.
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I think that's where you and I differ, I don't think Hayward is better than Ingram (long term), I don't think Brown is better than Ingram (long term) and Kyrie could just be a 1 year rental if he doesn't want to be in SA.
 
ONE LOVE said:
I think that's where you and I differ, I don't think Hayward is better than Ingram (long term), I don't think Brown is better than Ingram (long term) and Kyrie could just be a 1 year rental if he doesn't want to be in SA.
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What about who has better picks to offer? What about the spurs not wanting to trade him to a team in the west?

I googled top ten possible trades for kahwi Leonard and the first article that came up had Boston giving San Antonio kyrie and the 27th pick in this draft getting the job done.
And that sends kahwi out east like the spurs want.
 
fishonjazz said:
What about who has better picks to offer? What about the spurs not wanting to trade him to a team in the west?

I googled top ten possible trades for kahwi Leonard and the first article that came up had Boston giving San Antonio kyrie and the 27th pick in this draft getting the job done.
And that sends kahwi out east like the spurs want.
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If I were the Spurs I wouldn't be happy with Kyrie & 27th pick... Kyrie can walk ala Kawhi in a couple of years, they're gonna be facing the same situation again and Kyrie isn't gonna get you the same assets back in return. So they'll be back to square 1 in a year's time.

To me that's not gonna get it done.
 
ONE LOVE said:
If I were the Spurs I wouldn't be happy with Kyrie & 27th pick... Kyrie can walk ala Kawhi in a couple of years, they're gonna be facing the same situation again and Kyrie isn't gonna get you the same assets back in return. So they'll be back to square 1 in a year's time.

To me that's not gonna get it done.
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So what about kyrie, Hayward and a pick (Boston has plenty). Or kyrie, brown and a pick or two. Or Hayward, brown and picks.
Would that beat ingram and a pick? Plus the chance to get kahwi out of the conference which is what they want. I’m pretty sure it would.

Then Boston would still have Tatum, brown/kyrie/Hayward, horford, and kahwi and plenty of draft picks plus all their other guys like smart, rozier etc.

Lakers have ingram and that’s about it. And they play in the west. Boston has lots of picks, and lots of player assets.

No matter what you say Boston has more, better assets (whether players or picks) and they play in the east. Those are just plain, simple facts. What who would or wouldn’t trade is opinion.
 
fishonjazz said:
So what about kyrie, Hayward and a pick (Boston has plenty). Or kyrie, brown and a pick or two. Or Hayward brown and picks.
Would that beat ingram and a pick? Plus the chance to get kahwi out of the conference which is what they want. I’m pretty sure it would.

Then Boston would still have Tatum, brown, horford, and kahwi and plenty of draft picks plus all their other guys like smart, rozier etc.

Lakers have ingram and that’s about it. And they play in the west. Boston has lots of picks, and lots of player assets.

No matter what you say Boston has more, better assets (whether players or picks) and they play in the east. Those are just plain, simple facts. What who would or wouldn’t trade is opinion.
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I'm not saying BOS don't have plenty to offer, I'm just saying if I were Buford and the Spurs I would try my hardest to pry Tatum away - to me that's the main prize.

I'd be interested to see what they ended up getting.
 
I’d like to see Hayward moved. But if they traded for Kawhi and still had 3-4 of Hayward, Tatum, Brown, and Kawhi, I’d like to see them move Hayward to a lesser franchise for someone else.
 
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