TheStormofWar
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Memphis will get better for 4. I do this for Utah though.
*Breaking News* Kawhi Wants Out
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Memphis will get better for 4. I do this for Utah though.
gomretat
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If Boston and Ainge want KL they will have to give up Kyrie or Hayward plus picks. And it frankly makes more sense for them and from a trade standpoint than anything else I have heard - which obviously doesn't mean it will happen. Having those Kyrie and Gordie is great but Boston learned this year that both of those guys are dispensable and KL more than makes up for giving one of them up. Pairing LeBron or KL with that young group and the picks they will have left would put Boston in the most enviable position in the league if the chips fall right.
LoPo
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I just refuse to believe that Boston would trade Hayward.
As for Kyrie, I would rather have Brown and the two 1sts for next year (Sac and Memphis). Kyrie can walk next summer and the guy is injury prone.
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As for Kyrie, I would rather have Brown and the two 1sts for next year (Sac and Memphis). Kyrie can walk next summer and the guy is injury prone.
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TheStormofWar
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I mean: salaries?
LoPo
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Boston angled for Hayward for years using his college coach as the primary recruiter. They aren't going to trade Hayward.
And if you're SA, do you really think you can build a contender around rehabbing Gordon Hayward? I would rather get Brown, trade Gasol, stockpile some picks and rebuild.
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And if you're SA, do you really think you can build a contender around rehabbing Gordon Hayward? I would rather get Brown, trade Gasol, stockpile some picks and rebuild.
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TheStormofWar
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I think the second point is more accurate honestly. There's a chance (albeit small probably) that Hayward doesn't return to his former self. San Antonio would rather some young talent and picks to build around while still giving Pops some ammo to work with. Boston can facilitate that better than any other team and, if they believed they could entice Leonard to sign an extension, then they would do that. Absolutely no question.
That said, keep in mind the Clippers pitch to Blake was all about legacy and love. He signed that deal, and they traded him half a year later. So if Ainge, who is notorious for being ruthless, felt he could make Boston a champion again by dealing Hayward, you bet your buns he would do it. To be frank, Lindsey, Buford, or any other GM worth their salt would as well.
LoPo
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I've been over this a few times already. To get Kawhi to Boston WITHOUT Hayward, Kyrie or Horford, they would have send:
Morris - key, cheap role playing big for Boston
Rozier - up and coming PG
Brown - up and coming wing
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And probably the Sacramento 2019 1st and/or the Memphis 2019 1st
I get that you found a way to actually match salaries but I doubt SA wants that junk drawer of players.
Rozier/Brown and picks, sure. The rest? Nah.
LoPo
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I don't know if San Antonio wants those players or not. I'm just telling you how it has to work if Kyrie, Hayward or Horford aren't part of the deal.
That's why everybody saying Boston can give the best offer needs to know the financials of the deal. In the summer, the Lakers could send Kuzma and Ingram and $10 million of savings to San Antonio. Boston doesn't have that luxury.
Pretty sure one of those players would be part of the deal.
LoPo
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I don't think San Antonio wants Horford
I don't think Boston would trade Hayward and I'm uncertain of San Antonio's interest in Hayward
So it comes down to Kyrie. If Kyrie commits to staying in San Antonio, then you're right. If Kyrie won't commit, San Antonio doesn't want him. They aren't the type of organization to be strung around by a star two years in a row.
Purely my opinion and nothing more, but especially when it comes to getting a franchise changing guy like Kawhi, I would bet Ainge gives exactly 0 ****’s how it would look if they used Hayward to do it.
Yeah but that's their thing as a front office.
Jack Strop
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It would be a verbal commit since there's no way Irving is signing an extension and that has a ton of risk. I don't see Kyrie as having a ton of value for SA since it's rumored he may want to play in NY. SA is going to view Kyrie as a salary match and the key to the deal would be young assets. A fair price for an all-star is a couple of starters and/or lottery picks.
I'd ask for Tatum and the most favorable of Boston's picks next year. Of course, Ainge won't do that. So SA tells Danny Boy they're fielding offers from LA and whoever calls with the BO. Ainge then counters (maybe) with Brown and two 2019 picks (with at least one being the highest one). That would be a decent offer and satisfy SA's desire not to trade Kawhi to a team in the WC. Though Kawhi has all but demanded a trade, Buford has the leverage here. There are multiple teams that would want Kawhi. SA can afford to let a bidding war develop.
Even if Kawhi wants to go to the Lakers, SA can do what Indiana did. There are probably a few teams that might want to take a chance on convincing Kawhi to stay with them, especially if Buford drags his feet during free agency and the Lakers then fill their cap space with LBJ, George and DeAndre or Capela.I think that's a real possibility. SA doesn't want to do Kawhi any favors. He screwed them last season and has now told them to go pound sand. SA already said they're against trading him to a WC team. I think they want the Lakers avenue to close unless they're overwhelmed with assets.
I'd ask for Tatum and the most favorable of Boston's picks next year. Of course, Ainge won't do that. So SA tells Danny Boy they're fielding offers from LA and whoever calls with the BO. Ainge then counters (maybe) with Brown and two 2019 picks (with at least one being the highest one). That would be a decent offer and satisfy SA's desire not to trade Kawhi to a team in the WC. Though Kawhi has all but demanded a trade, Buford has the leverage here. There are multiple teams that would want Kawhi. SA can afford to let a bidding war develop.
Even if Kawhi wants to go to the Lakers, SA can do what Indiana did. There are probably a few teams that might want to take a chance on convincing Kawhi to stay with them, especially if Buford drags his feet during free agency and the Lakers then fill their cap space with LBJ, George and DeAndre or Capela.I think that's a real possibility. SA doesn't want to do Kawhi any favors. He screwed them last season and has now told them to go pound sand. SA already said they're against trading him to a WC team. I think they want the Lakers avenue to close unless they're overwhelmed with assets.
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LoPo
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#8 and Kevin Love for Kawhi would be very interesting.
#1 - no team can give the Spurs as high of a draft pick this year as Cleveland has with #8.
#2 - Kevin Love could have a ton of value for a team like San Antonio next to Aldridge.
#3 - the Spurs had a great year without Kawhi. Adding Love and #8 should keep the ball rolling there and there is that mix of youth with the 8th pick.
The Spurs would then trade Gasol to any team who will give an asset.
The Cavs would then trade Hill and Clarkson for Melo (to shed Clarkson's money for 2019/20 and make LeBron happy).
In 2019, the Cavs would have cap space to sign another good player (Chris Paul???) to add to Kawhi and LeBron.
#1 - no team can give the Spurs as high of a draft pick this year as Cleveland has with #8.
#2 - Kevin Love could have a ton of value for a team like San Antonio next to Aldridge.
#3 - the Spurs had a great year without Kawhi. Adding Love and #8 should keep the ball rolling there and there is that mix of youth with the 8th pick.
The Spurs would then trade Gasol to any team who will give an asset.
The Cavs would then trade Hill and Clarkson for Melo (to shed Clarkson's money for 2019/20 and make LeBron happy).
In 2019, the Cavs would have cap space to sign another good player (Chris Paul???) to add to Kawhi and LeBron.
I was with you until the last paragraph (or two): the Cavs would still have $30-something million tied up in JR Smith and Tristan Thompson, not to mention if the idea is to keep Lebron and Kawhi. In other words, for all intents and purposes of your scenario, they won't have cap space.
LoPo
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JR Smith and Korver are not guaranteed for 2019/20. With Clarkson gone, the only guys on the 2019 cap would be LeBron, Kawhi, Tristan Thompson ($18.5 million expiring), Cedi Osman ($2.9) and Larry Nance (qualifying offer Cleveland could decline).
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/cleveland-cavaliers-team-salary/
Douchebag K
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Lol so is trading your best player who spilled his guts for you in the playoffs just after his sister suddenly died and who was the heart and souls of your team that year