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Jazz select Grayson Allen at 21

If we were to make a move and land Spellman or KBD, in addition — guys who fill a need that I don’t think can be filled in free agency — then this is a totally different draft. People were moving out of the second round in exchange for two future second rounders. We are already owed two future seconds from SA and WAS. With our history of treating them like leftovers that sit in the fridge for a week before throwing out, are we averse to combining them and landing something of value (like a KBD), or do we think we’ll easily replace that in FA, or that we’ll run it back with Favors and he’ll start hitting threes?

Allen will probably be a decent player. No concerns about that. But “landing a guy who could be okay” isn’t what was sold about staying in the draft when we passed on Niko — a guy who’s already leaps and bounds above “a decent player,” not to mention filling a critical need we have. It’s the context of everything that’s frustrating. No beef with Allen. Actually quite miffed about the second rounder issue.
 
Looking at his stats at Duke I have one significant concern:

As Allen's Usage % and FGA's went down after his sophomore year his efficiency numbers went down as well. In fact it's pretty glaring.

The expectation in the NBA is that he'll need to come off the bench and be productive in small spurts of 3 to 6 minutes. How do you measure this in work-outs when it's all about the kid? I guess you can't

Is Allen another Jimmer type that needs to be the focal point to be effective?

Hoping it's just a maturity thing.
 
He’s still the same guy who put up 22/5/4 on 47/42/80something as a sophomore. He just ended up playing with multiple top 10 draft picks.

Uber competitive, no game too big. Look what he did coming off the bench against Wisconsin in the title game as a freshman. He won Duke that game. We need a guy like that.
 
Every team needs the scrappy, hyper-competitive, edgy player off the bench like JJ Barea, Matthew Delladova, or Manu Ginobli.

Allen might be that guy for us.
 
stitches said:
Those tests don't really correlate great with on court performance. For example, Devin Booker had the best lane agility ever recorded and he's one of the worst players moving his feet on defense. It's more than moving his feet, it's about reaction, technique, willingness to commit to defending and giving effort. There are about a dozen other factors that are probably more important to being a good defender than a lane agility test.
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Good post and good explanation. I wanted to hear that as well.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Yet trent who is 3 years younger, figured it and shot the 3 better than Grayson. Oh, and he's bigger and longer than Allen.
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Different roles. Trent was the only other shooter they had, couldn’t create his own shot, and never passed the ball. Grayson could do all of those. He had a better defender on him, and more focus. The only guy who could create a shot for Grayson was Duval, and defenders sagged off of him. Bagley wasn’t passing much (for good reason). Do you see the difference?

Here in Utah he’ll have guys who can get him open shots. Maybe you watched a lot of games, but you didn’t watch them well.
 
Can we call him Man Hands?

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Revolution 9 said:
and the more videos i watch, the more i read this is what im feeling. he will be a slighty more consistent version of Rodney. now i think he will have some off shooting nights, but like Hood able to give us a nice punch sometimes.

Where he passes Hood is his leadership, aggression, passion etc. Hood seemed not weak, but a tad soft.

Overall I've come way down from my hate explosion after the pick. I trust DL, and I'm going to be supportive. It's actually been nothing but positive news coming out since the pick. There is quite a bit to be excited/positive about.
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Donovan wanted Allen, this should make all you haters quiet up a bit.
 
stitches said:
There is something about Locke that makes my blood boil. I was ready to move on and let it go and just hope Allen will improve his game, but just listen to his podcast today selling Allen. I've never seen mental gymnastics like this... so the 3 criticisms against him are -
(1) he can't defend... but oh well who could in college really? even Mitchell wasn't awesome in Louisville? ORLY? You gonna sell me this bill of goods? WTF are you looking at? Donovan was a monster defensively. Allen projects as worse denfender than Trae FRICKING YOUNG and Jerome Robinson... Process that for a little bit.

(2) elite athlete vs cones but doesn't show on tape - "I mean it's kinda true"... finishing at the rim in the 40s(FOURTIES!!!!), previous 2 year in the low 50s???? You know how we harp on Burks not being a efficient finisher even though he has flashy finishes at the rim? Well Burks in the NBA was MUCH better than Allen has been vs inferior competition in college. Also... when the floor was spread he was actually going to the rim... ORLY? Like... you mean... totally like the personnel we don't really have to play? Well OK then. I bet he will be going to the rim a ton with Rudy and Favs in there. Oh and one more... "u can see his athleticism when he chases contested balls" this is the first time I've heard this nonsense. So you are telling me Delly is an awesome athlete too? ORLY? Keep talking... lets hear more...

(3) for the reputation of an elite shooter... he's actually kind of... meh shooter. In essence in this exercise he tried limiting the sample to numbers that are not representative and saying - "I mean... he can improve on this(shooting open shots), or that"...

So to sum up - we should love the pick.. .but... 1. he cannot defend, 2. his supposed athleticism actually cannot be seen on tape, except when he goes for loose balls, and he cannot finish a the rim 3. his supposed super strength(shooting) is actually not super strong either...

Believe me, I was really getting to a place where I was OK with this pick, but this BS has engaged my gag reflex and I cannot swallow all the BS I'm being fed by the company shill.
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I'm trying not to be sad today... please enough with logic and numbers and stuff... he competes very hard and gets all the loose balls... he's super old but that's okay.

I think he is a shooter though for real.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm trying not to be sad today... please enough with logic and numbers and stuff... he competes very hard and gets all the loose balls... he's super old but that's okay.

I think he is a shooter though for real.
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For whatever it's worth for a lot of players the spacing of an NBA court does wonders. Mitchell is one of them, he wasn't anywhere close to the beast he is today in college. I will still give the guy the chance he deserves and I will still root for him to succeed like I do with every player... like I did with Burke or Lyles... or Exum or Mitchell or Gobert.

Also, if I've learned something over the last several years, it's that DL and Quin are no slouches in what they do. Not everything they touch turns into gold but there is a very clear method to the madness and very well thought out philosophy behind the moves. Allen is also not a finished product and I'd love to see what our developmental staff will be able to do with him. I cannot wait for SL to come already. COme on. Lets go!
 
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