I bet it was Musa. We took him to dinner, could shoot and seems to have that 'attitude' that DL seems to be looking for this year.
Jazz select Grayson Allen at 21
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I bet it was Musa. We took him to dinner, could shoot and seems to have that 'attitude' that DL seems to be looking for this year.
Other player was probably Musa or Okobo. DL phrased it as if it was a player who was also available at 21 and they were choosing Allen or ____.
My guess on the two teams trying to move up ahead of the Jazz for Allen is Celtics and Warriors. Grayson had a great workout with Boston, Ainge reportedly loved him, there's the Tatum/Grayson connection. The Warriors is more of a gut feeling. I feel like Grayson is the kind of scrappy player they would like on their bench. They also fit "good team" better than other teams who were picking 22-30. Could have also been Philly or LA. Grayson had a good workout for LA too.
My guess on the two teams trying to move up ahead of the Jazz for Allen is Celtics and Warriors. Grayson had a great workout with Boston, Ainge reportedly loved him, there's the Tatum/Grayson connection. The Warriors is more of a gut feeling. I feel like Grayson is the kind of scrappy player they would like on their bench. They also fit "good team" better than other teams who were picking 22-30. Could have also been Philly or LA. Grayson had a good workout for LA too.
I really think it was the Celtics.
This makes me tend to think we were down to Allen and Hutchison.
Either that or he was just basing it off by looking at his table.
Wasn't a fan of CH. If that's the case, I'm glad we chose Allen over him.
Personally, I think it's likely that Anfernee Simons is going to be better than Grayson Allen longer term, but I guess that's neither here nor there.
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I wouldn't have minded Hutchison, but I think Allen's shooting is gonna help us more. And I think the Jazz FO felt the same way. They seemed really relieved that Allen fell to us.
Bagley was setting some horrible screens in pick and roll lol. Wait until he has Rudy.
There was a rumor before the draft that Indiana was trying to move up to 19 or 20.
All I can say is that the Jazz must really like Allen, because I'm pretty sure they like Hutchison--we need an athletic scoring wing like him--and the Jazz went with Allen.
Just amazed we took Allen ahead of Hutchison
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They were always looking at holiday though... it was pretty clear.
I really think it was Okobo... his name came up a few times with guys around the team.
Also I’m fairly sure Philly and Boston were the teams trying to move up.
Simons is already more offensively skilled than Allen and more talented on the ball, and he's 3 years younger. He needs a year or two to develop physically.
Are you going to remember this in a couple years when Simons is the better player?
That is just silly.
The Jazz didn't make this pick in a vacuum. They must have considered all kinds of factors. One consideration may be that the Jazz could lose either Exum or Rubio within a year due to free agency, so they want a guy who can play PG in that eventuality, while also being versatile enough to play the 2 as well. Maybe the Jazz think they're going to be able to get a forward who can score via free agency, so taking Hutchison or Jacob Evans weren't priorities. The Jazz are very focused on maximizing the next 2 - 3-year window and may not have had the patience or the roster flexibility to develop a player like Simons.
That said, at face value Hutchison, Simons and Okobo all look like better talents than Allen, imo.
Allen is a 4-year college player, very well coached. He's a guy who obviously looks good in workouts. His best position longer term may actually be at the 1 where he has a size and strength advantage. It sounds like he dominated against Jalen Brunson in his Jazz workout. My criticisms of him are that he can't really get by defenders off the dribble, he's mediocre at creating looks for himself, and he'll be yet another guy who needs to be set up with multiple actions to be able to score consistently. He's decent at a number of things at the college level, but I'm struggling to identify a bonafide NBA skill. He has decent IQ, but his passes are pretty rudimentary. He's not going to defend like Royce O'Neale. He's not going to score and get fouled like Alec Burks. He's not going to blow by defenders or defend like Dante Exum. Like most players, his ceiling will be based on how well he shoots the ball, and his shooting last year was so-so.
I think he's most likely to be a bench player. If the Jazz retain Exum, then Allen will be our 4th guard at best, competing for minutes with Burks and Royce O'Neale. Who knows if he'll get time at the 1. Maybe he'll replace Raul Neto.
That said, at face value Hutchison, Simons and Okobo all look like better talents than Allen, imo.
Allen is a 4-year college player, very well coached. He's a guy who obviously looks good in workouts. His best position longer term may actually be at the 1 where he has a size and strength advantage. It sounds like he dominated against Jalen Brunson in his Jazz workout. My criticisms of him are that he can't really get by defenders off the dribble, he's mediocre at creating looks for himself, and he'll be yet another guy who needs to be set up with multiple actions to be able to score consistently. He's decent at a number of things at the college level, but I'm struggling to identify a bonafide NBA skill. He has decent IQ, but his passes are pretty rudimentary. He's not going to defend like Royce O'Neale. He's not going to score and get fouled like Alec Burks. He's not going to blow by defenders or defend like Dante Exum. Like most players, his ceiling will be based on how well he shoots the ball, and his shooting last year was so-so.
I think he's most likely to be a bench player. If the Jazz retain Exum, then Allen will be our 4th guard at best, competing for minutes with Burks and Royce O'Neale. Who knows if he'll get time at the 1. Maybe he'll replace Raul Neto.
No it isn't. He shoots 3s, has an in-between game off the dribble, has floaters and can get on top of the rim with ease. There's a reason the Blazers grabbed him at 24 ahead of guys who positionally make more sense for them.