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^ ... Have you watched any highlights Mr Gayson Allen?
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Jazz select Grayson Allen at 21
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Idk if you saw his interview explanation of the meltdown he had on the bench where he was crying and punching the chair, but he said the reason he was doing that was out of frustration because he knew he messed up and he knew the repercussions of what he did. He knew it would hurt his reputation and that he would probably get suspended and that's what happened. That was his Junior year. His Senior year was incident free. So the hope is that that moment was a turning point for him.
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Reality is really setting it. It was actually fun (remember this whole thing is a game), to blow up after the decision was announced. Now that you look at something the morning after you see things for what they truly are. One of the biggest things that stands out is that Donovan was the punk in their altercation. He slaps Allen!
I never though Allen being a "dirty" player was a problem to begin with. In this case our guy Donovan was being dirty. The fall to the ground didn't look like anything Grayson did.
So I come away from this thinking that both players like to get after it!
I'm just excited to see him in Summer League. I think this will all work out. He'll be a decent rotation player in the least. If he can hit his shot in the NBA he could become a fan favorite.
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At least it shows he is competitive(albeit a little misguided). If he's good enough for Donovan he's good enough for me. I love this pick.
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Sounds like Dante. We could be scary with Ricky, Don, Dante and Grayson. And Raul.
Grayson atomy
Hand pads specifically.
Hand pads specifically.
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Ben Dowsett said that in some other workout Allen hit 85/100 3’s.
That’s pretty damn impressive.
That’s pretty damn impressive.
Right. I don’t care if you’re Steph Curry and those are wide open threes. 85/100 is damn hard to do.
That's what I said a while back when The Jimmer hit 92 of 100 for a charity event. The haters came out, it was fun.
It is pretty impressive imo.
It is pretty impressive imo.
I seriously loved Jimmer in college but he made all those threes in a high school gym from the corner. Not nearly as impressive as Allen hitting 85 from NBA range.
Yes 92 of 100 from farther away is more impressive, but still impressive for the consistency.
At the same time, I only care about what people do in an empty gym if it translates into makes in game.
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He led the league in 3 pt. percentage when the kings cut him... he could shoot... he couldn't do anything else though.
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that is... I laugh when guys get excited about 60/100 or a big shooting 40-50/100. I'm a pickup player... I make 60/100 from NBA in open gym shooting. I'm good, but there are 4-5 guys I play with that didn't make it past HS level who are way better shooters than I am.
85/100 is really good.
I'm fine with the Grayson pick. After the Wizards took Brown I knew the Jazz were ****ed. I thought Brown or Huerter would go to Atlanta and the Jazz would take who dropped. At that point I thought there was only one high potential player left, Okobo. I'm disappointed we didnt go Okobo, but I think I know why they didnt.
I think they want to keep the relationship with Exum as positive as possible going into contract negotiations. If the Jazz draft another player who labels himself as a PG, maybe that turns Exum off from negotiating in good faith. If Exum signs with the Jazz long-term, there is still a clear path for him to be a starter in 2019/202 if he plays well enough (to be clear, I dont think this is likely, but I think it's important for Exum to think it is). When Allen got drafted all he has said is about how he is excited to play off ball more, which was probably a selling point for Utah since they have 3 rotation guards who are better on ball than off already. I know some people will roll their eyes at the thought of that, but I still think Utah believes in Exum (who is only a few months older than Allen).
If they took Okobo, it would be another player who needs to be on-ball to develop to his true potential. Not that Okobo is useless off-ball, but his biggest strength is off the dribble shooting and PNR. With Allen he has a bit more offensive versatility and a larger body of work to prove he is a good shooter. I bet they also believe in Allen's defense a bit more. They both showed similar issues defensively in PNR play, but Allen shows more fire in other areas which probably gives them hope he can translate that into playing more focused/high energy in a smaller role/minutes load on the defensive end.
As well, the Jazz's peak competitive years should start in Year 3 of Donovan's career (of this current iteration of the Jazz). By that time, Grayson Allen should essentially be in his prime (or close to it), so he fits in nicely with Utah's timeline as a discount Eric Gordon/6th man type.
I think they want to keep the relationship with Exum as positive as possible going into contract negotiations. If the Jazz draft another player who labels himself as a PG, maybe that turns Exum off from negotiating in good faith. If Exum signs with the Jazz long-term, there is still a clear path for him to be a starter in 2019/202 if he plays well enough (to be clear, I dont think this is likely, but I think it's important for Exum to think it is). When Allen got drafted all he has said is about how he is excited to play off ball more, which was probably a selling point for Utah since they have 3 rotation guards who are better on ball than off already. I know some people will roll their eyes at the thought of that, but I still think Utah believes in Exum (who is only a few months older than Allen).
If they took Okobo, it would be another player who needs to be on-ball to develop to his true potential. Not that Okobo is useless off-ball, but his biggest strength is off the dribble shooting and PNR. With Allen he has a bit more offensive versatility and a larger body of work to prove he is a good shooter. I bet they also believe in Allen's defense a bit more. They both showed similar issues defensively in PNR play, but Allen shows more fire in other areas which probably gives them hope he can translate that into playing more focused/high energy in a smaller role/minutes load on the defensive end.
As well, the Jazz's peak competitive years should start in Year 3 of Donovan's career (of this current iteration of the Jazz). By that time, Grayson Allen should essentially be in his prime (or close to it), so he fits in nicely with Utah's timeline as a discount Eric Gordon/6th man type.
Yes, but can you do a full NBA workout and do that? That is what they do in these workouts. "The Jazz 100" is at the very end of the workout and I'm sure its not just 100 spot-up 3's.
All I know, I'm happy the Jazz arent the Bucks. Taking Donte Divincenzo at 17 over Allen, Huerter, and Walker is lulz.
And I don't get people complaining about selling the 52nd pick. The Jazz have a nearly full roster, a young center they still need to find time to develop, and 2-way contract players. The Jazz are clearly investing more into seasoned young players (guys who have spent years in the G-League or overseas) to develop over the limited pool of late 2nd round players. DL said he tried to trade up in the 2nd round to target a guy, but it didnt work out. I dont think there is any reason to randomly draft someone you dont believe in if you dont have the roster space.
Yes, they havent hit on as many 2nd round players as they did in the past under KOC, but it's not like they haven't gotten any (like I've read some people say). Everyone somehow forget Raul Neto existed. The 47th overall pick who has played 162 games for the Jazz, starting 53 of those.
And the Jazz are still under that "legacy trust" thing where no money is taken out of the team by the owners. So if the Jazz are selling the pick, it's not like it's going to Greg to buy something unrelated to the Jazz. It's probably to help pay for stuff like the free agent mini-camps they do, which helped unearth a guy like Royce O'Neale.
Yes, they havent hit on as many 2nd round players as they did in the past under KOC, but it's not like they haven't gotten any (like I've read some people say). Everyone somehow forget Raul Neto existed. The 47th overall pick who has played 162 games for the Jazz, starting 53 of those.
And the Jazz are still under that "legacy trust" thing where no money is taken out of the team by the owners. So if the Jazz are selling the pick, it's not like it's going to Greg to buy something unrelated to the Jazz. It's probably to help pay for stuff like the free agent mini-camps they do, which helped unearth a guy like Royce O'Neale.
Yeah it has to be harder than just going around the horn and shoot cos I've seen guys make closer to 80% doing that.
If I am to guess it would be a combo of off the dribble shots, off the screen shots, step back shots and in transition pull ups.