Texas school shooting

[babe]

I'm not exactly sure what you're implying here, but then there's nothing new in that. Your posts often jump around in a manner that loses me. I'll just say that's a lacking on my part. I will say I have never owned a gun. And my point was that I think it's a pretty silly scenario to envision an armed response of citizenry to a 21st century National Security State, which seemed to actually be where you were heading and what I at least thought I was replying to. So, if you honestly believe I am advocating armed resistance, then I guess you're reading into my comments, past or present, ideas that are simply not there. This isn't 1776, and I am not a fool.

Right after Trump won the election legitimately, according to the Constitutional provisions, you said something in a private email to me. I sometimes pull out comments that are especially inconsistent and save them on my computer, particularly threats.

commenting on whether you are a fool or not would just be speculative.

I am opposed to the Homeland Security Act and other actions that violate fundamental human rights, including FISA courts and certain aspects of many of our Federal agencies, which profess to have judicial powers despite being agencies of the executive branch, as well as professing legislative powers supposedly delegated by congressional legislation, which have the overall effect of practically removing the separation of powers generally specified in the Constitution.

The whole problem with "socialist" ideals of governance is that whatever the merit of the cause, the means is unconstitutional and trends to destroy actual human rights and the US Constitution which is the best plan yet invented for limiting the vagaries of arbitrary power in the hands of corrupt individuals.

Your concerns about Trump would be much more effectively combatted by a wiser path in choosing to advocate adherence to the US Constitution.

I hope at some point you'll realize just how dangerous the attempt to destroy the electoral process and throw Trump out has been, and how corrupt people like Obama, Hillary, Comey….. and the whole cabal of schemers really are. Dangerous to your own freedom.

 

[babe]

And I'll add this, as silly, and naive, and unprovable as it will seem to anyone and everyone. The bottom line for me is that I believe we are spiritual beings on a human journey. And the whole purpose of human existence is to realize that and spiritualize this plane of existence. I believe we are all co-creators of this world, this universe in fact. I think we have forgotten who we are and why we are here. And violence, and hate have no place in the eventual realization of who we are and why we have chosen to be here.

And, obviously, we seem to be as far removed from the Truth now, as at any other time in history. And the West, in particular, has fallen very far in relation to the truth. My utopia does not involve guns, or national security states of any kind. But I do believe many of us have chosen to live at this time in order to bear witness.

And I do believe there will come a day when mankind remembers what we humans are, what our true nature is, and how to transform this world in a manner more conforming to the truth of our existence. I will be in my grave, this time around, before that happens, but it is my belief it will happen. Yes, I believe there is purpose to our lives, and bringing that higher purpose to fruition on Earth is our goal and we will "get it" one day. I cannot look at History and cite evidence of my dream, but I nonetheless believe this dream. For now, I will just continue to bear witness and help my friends and loved ones understand.

I live in the Dark Ages. But I love the Truth, and that Truth will triumph one day.

Well, that is not a Marxist utopia or concept. The "inexorable" History idea is used by Marxist and progressives quite liberally, but they are pure materialists who don't even admit a spiritual side of things.

You are actually pretty close to Mormon beliefs in the respect that you and we believe in a Creation that was not magical but practically effected according to the fundamental physical(maybe spiritual as well) laws of nature, with many hands on deck to help out.

And yes, there will be better times to come, but not without "hands on" work and actual faith in true principles.

 

[Red]

Right after Trump won the election legitimately, according to the Constitutional provisions, you said something in a private email to me. I sometimes pull out comments that are especially inconsistent and save them on my computer, particularly threats.

commenting on whether you are a fool or not would just be speculative.

I am opposed to the Homeland Security Act and other actions that violate fundamental human rights, including FISA courts and certain aspects of many of our Federal agencies, which profess to have judicial powers despite being agencies of the executive branch, as well as professing legislative powers supposedly delegated by congressional legislation, which have the overall effect of practically removing the separation of powers generally specified in the Constitution.

The whole problem with "socialist" ideals of governance is that whatever the merit of the cause, the means is unconstitutional and trends to destroy actual human rights and the US Constitution which is the best plan yet invented for limiting the vagaries of arbitrary power in the hands of corrupt individuals.

Your concerns about Trump would be much more effectively combatted by a wiser path in choosing to advocate adherence to the US Constitution.

I hope at some point you'll realize just how dangerous the attempt to destroy the electoral process and throw Trump out has been, and how corrupt people like Obama, Hillary, Comey….. and the whole cabal of schemers really are. Dangerous to your own freedom.

Yes, babe, I do remember you bringing up that pm, which I did not save. I also remember suggesting, in one of the Trump threads, that that was me, angry at you, saying something that I figured would go up your butt sideways. Not nice on my part, but I don't think you should have taken it seriously. Although, since you don't know me, I can at least understand if you were alarmed.

But, from my perspective, if I want to see the rise of fascism in America at the moment, just watching Trump's rallies, and the reaction of his crowds, does the trick for me. Honestly, watching and listening to those crowds react to the new media, when Trump directs his, and their anger, toward those representatives of print and broadcast journalism, I'm quite convinced at least some of his followers would support death camps for liberal journalists at this point.

What I see of Trump at his recent rallies, and he'll be at it a lot more as we approach the 2018 elections, is exactly the demagogue approach I feared would be the case all along. Right from the start I recognized this Trump and his rhetoric of hatred and division, and creation of "others". I really don't understand why you, or anyone else, would fault me for those concerns. "The media is the enemy of the people" is the most predictable mantra expected of any would be tyrant. I do believe I live in the Dark Ages in relation to the beliefs I stated. And I do believe Trump is a leader of some very dark impulses. You can blame my opinion on anything you wish. I see clearly, and nothing you say will fog that vision.

 

[One Brow]

The British attempted to remove arms from private citizens, to deny access to gunpowder. That is what the Midnight Ride of Paul Revere and the shooting at Lexington and Concord was all about. Citizens were then in the process of forming organizations like the Minute Men, but there were no colonial armies at that time.

Eight years later, when we won, we had a more formal military structure. The formation of the structure was a large reason that there were few British military successes in the last few years of the war.

 

[babe]

Yes, babe, I do remember you bringing up that pm, which I did not save. I also remember suggesting, in one of the Trump threads, that that was me, angry at you, saying something that I figured would go up your butt sideways. Not nice on my part, but I don't think you should have taken it seriously. Although, since you don't know me, I can at least understand if you were alarmed.

But, from my perspective, if I want to see the rise of fascism in America at the moment, just watching Trump's rallies, and the reaction of his crowds, does the trick for me. Honestly, watching and listening to those crowds react to the new media, when Trump directs his, and their anger, toward those representatives of print and broadcast journalism, I'm quite convinced at least some of his followers would support death camps for liberal journalists at this point.

What I see of Trump at his recent rallies, and he'll be at it a lot more as we approach the 2018 elections, is exactly the demagogue approach I feared would be the case all along. Right from the start I recognized this Trump and his rhetoric of hatred and division, and creation of "others". I really don't understand why you, or anyone else, would fault me for those concerns. "The media is the enemy of the people" is the most predictable mantra expected of any would be tyrant. I do believe I live in the Dark Ages in relation to the beliefs I stated. And I do believe Trump is a leader of some very dark impulses. You can blame my opinion on anything you wish. I see clearly, and nothing you say will fog that vision.

I'm not trying to fog anyone's reason, but bring it into some better focus.

I have not seen Trump as anyone's Jesus, or as a real demagogue. He does read crowds and say stuff to please them. He does realize that a significant part of his core supporters, including Bannon and Breitbart, Levin and CRTV, Hannity and Rush are sincerely convicted disbelievers in the establishment media comprised, largely, of units from MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, who are fully onboard with the Clinton-centered fascism of today. Some of the hard-core disbelievers like the John Birch Society would characterize that "fascism" as a corporate form of communism. And while there is still racist anti-Jewish, anti-International banker, and anti-Zionist racism...… which is part of the fascism of the Islamic variety as some think, which would exterminate the Jews entirely, Hitler's efficient "solution" is not part of the Clinton fascism of today.

Some believe Bill Clinton's rise to the Presidency was assisted by the Rockefeller family. Some point to Jay Rockefeller's support in West Virgina and Arkansas early on. The Rockefellers were heavily invested in Hitler's industrial build-up, including IG Farben the maker of the facilities for gassing rooms at the concentration camps. I know that the Rockefellers bankrolled Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines, literally sending in planeloads of US greenbacks for funding the local barrio captain's payola for voters. Very common for Filipinos to take bribes right at the polls in those days.

At any rate, I could fetch up quotes from David Rockefeller about what a success Chairman Mao was in China, and of his deep appreciation for the complicity of the US mainstream Press in facilitating his organization of world influence.

My fav gal Sonnie Johnson on XM 125 Saturdays about 1 PM has perhaps the best line of historical perspectives about how the US Republican Party practically ran the blacks outta town early on in the progressive movement. This was Rockefeller family influence, inspired by Lord Cecil Rhodes. This was why the early progressives in the US were outright genocidal and eugenic racists. This is why the US fleet taking the Philippines from the Spanish in 1898 pretended to be helping the Filipino independence fighters, but then determined to make the Philippines a US colony instead. This is why there is a ton of literature from that time that is anti-Filipino denying that the Filipinos could possibly ever govern themselves.

The Clintons....Obamas and Bush dynasties are all Rockefeller stooges. You should not trust them, nor believe their news retailers.

My fear is that Trump, being merely a practical dealmaker, will make a pact with them to go on from his original beginning. If he does, you and I may find a lot in common..... But from his election, the DumpTrumpsters have been financed from that side of American politics, and may yet force his compliance with their agenda.

I just want to return the US to a practical non-ideological citizen's government.

 

[babe]

Eight years later, when we won, we had a more formal military structure. The formation of the structure was a large reason that there were few British military successes in the last few years of the war.

Indeed.

The most important factor in American success was diplomacy, securing French and other assistance, and the reason that worked was, simply put, .... the fact that American leadership of the revolution was elite, well-educated and articulate. We had some more rustic heroes in some parts, who could do a good guerilla type warfare against the inflexible Brit troops and stultified generals, but they could always be run back into the woods eventually by organized military campaigns. But without the French fleet, there would have been no victory.

 

[DutchJazzer]

as none of you uneducated people now. this is the bielskie partisans!

they used to be smugglers before world war 2! smuggling spirits.

when WWII broke out the polish cops killed their parents!they had only 1 handgun(they did have knowledge of all sorts of guns). so they went and lived in the wood. set up a small community(yes it was communistic in a way out of necessitate). it had school, hospital. 1200 people living in the woods.
they had their GUNS they had their security they freed jews. in a way they set up their own small country within the woods, and fought the tyrants to a standstill!
without the knowledge of guns none of this would have been possible! after the war they emerged out of the woods.

it was called Jerusalem in the woods!

these men where not victims! these men where warriors! these men prove to you that you don't have to be a victim like Anne frank(all due respect she was a little girl nothing she could have done) but her father failed to act! if 1 of these men was her father she probably would have lived!


please don't ****ing tell me i don't have the right to guns, and the knowledge that comes with them. i have the right to protect my live. so bugger off!

they had a better live then most during the war! don't you think 1200 Venezuelans can do this? yes they could. but they have been brought up with this beta cuck victim culture. you cant take care of yourself the nannystate will take care of you. you dont need a husband the government will give you money, you can leave your wive, the government will take care of your kids. you don't need a gun the cops will take care of you. they wait for someone to save them! government took farmlands. Venezuela is a big country if 10-20 of these group would arise, trust me they would have a better live! but it takes personal responsibility, it takes masculinity! something these people have given up long before they gave up their guns in 2012.


if these 10-20 groups of 1000-1500 people would arise. their success story would spread. more would join more would arise. losing power. maybe whole villages and towns would start claiming independence from that perfect socialist maduro. getting small states. that start with farming. some town did that but did not go far enough they issued their own currency https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-to-combat-national-cash-crisis-idUSKCN1GT0T9

how about towns start claiming their independence start claiming and cultivating land, and farming take care of each others. NO they rather be some beta victim ***** hat wearing coward waiting for the united nations of tyrants to save them

meanwhile their women go all over latin america to make a buck anyway they can the lucky ones find a "decent" job that they can send 50 us dollars home a month, so they can take care of their kids. because the welfare state broke up the family. men left them with the kids, so wow they are forced to be away form their kids, to take care of them. maybe even working in a whorehouse. you'll act like you care about illegals. come visit me. i'll bring you around town. to come hear horror stories

how do i know i am in latin america and now a lot of these women and some men

in a way the pen is mightier then the sword. seeing as you uninformed uneducated fools only know what anne frank did with her pen. but you have no clue what these brave men did with their "swords".

and dont be ****ing hypocrites the only people who are anti gun, are not using them and they are not advocating for anyone including the government to use them. but you guys are begging the government to pick up guns and use them! your not anti gun you are worse than law abiding gun owners. you are advocating for government force government violence. dont act like you are holier than others. stop virtue signaling. be a good person protect your own.
stop tleling people they dont need guns. rosa park didnt need to sit in the front of the bus. if you are in a bus wether you sit in front back on top or stand in the bus. you will reach your destination all the same. but need had nothing to do with it! so maybe we don't need guns. but that's not of your business

well see you guys in 6 months, sure i offended some people on here!

 

[DutchJazzer]

Ignoring the fact that South Sudan is a failed state currently undergoing a brutal civil war, how exactly did armed private citizens defeat the Sudanese army and overthrow the Sudanese president who is still in the office?

they just lack the knowledge! it isn't just about guns! you need knowledge and certain way of thinking. it is a whole live style which these people lack.

how do i know you may ask? i literally lived half my live in hellholes like sudan. you have no idea how these people think.

 

[One Brow]

as none of you uneducated people now. this is the bielskie partisans!

Most of what you said about them was wrong or distorted, which we expect from you. They were brave and patriotic, but did almost nothing to help defeat the Germans. In fact, the few times that the Germans were actively looking for them, they split up and regrouped in another location. They are not evidence that armed citizens can form a military resistance to a governmental military.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Most of what you said about them was wrong or distorted, which we expect from you. They were brave and patriotic, but did almost nothing to help defeat the Germans. In fact, the few times that the Germans were actively looking for them, they split up and regrouped in another location. They are not evidence that armed citizens can form a military resistance to a governmental military.

i never said they defeated the germans! they SURVIVED and helped others survive! that is more than anne frank did no thanks to her weak parents.


they lived their live! they defied the tyrants! they had their own village in the woods. yes it was a village seeing as it had school, infirmary and other stuff.

they survived tyrany and lived free in jeruzalem in the woods. compared to others in the rising 3rd reich. if those 1200 pepole could have done it why not more. because like you they think you are weak when it comes to the government.

why cant villages and towns in venezuela start doing this being self sufficient? usa didnt kill king george. so their revolution is for naught.

bish please

 

[Siro]

Most of what you said about them was wrong or distorted, which we expect from you. They were brave and patriotic, but did almost nothing to help defeat the Germans. In fact, the few times that the Germans were actively looking for them, they split up and regrouped in another location. They are not evidence that armed citizens can form a military resistance to a governmental military.

Armed citizens engaging in an effective guerilla war against an organized military could be the US military's slogan for the last 50 years. Of course it's possible.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Most of what you said about them was wrong or distorted, which we expect from you. They were brave and patriotic, but did almost nothing to help defeat the Germans. In fact, the few times that the Germans were actively looking for them, they split up and regrouped in another location. They are not evidence that armed citizens can form a military resistance to a governmental military.

so you want complete and utter dominance. hell us couldnt win the vietnam war!

but these 1200 peopple lived and survived had their own little country!


so if i lived around that time you wouldnt want me to have guns or knowledge of how guns work(which requires access to guns). you would rather read my diary decades later with my stupid ramblings?
i dont have the right to defend myself, because no way i could have defeated the germans? i would have only resisted and survived!

well your post offends me. reported!

 

[Archie Moses]

I read a joke on Reddit today that went:

As an Aussie, Americans are always asking me where in Australia there *isn't* something to kill you...

"School" is my answer.

 

[babe]

I read a joke on Reddit today that went:

As an Aussie, Americans are always asking me where in Australia there *isn't* something to kill you...

"School" is my answer.

crazy spiders everywhere deadly as rattlesnakes.

But with due respect, schools have other deadly weapons, including spiders.

One kid I knew killed a classmate with a screwdriver. In shop class. He got outta jail about twenty years later. All because of a fit of temper at being insulted, a rage that rose to homicide inside one minute's time..... and was gone.... displaced by the horror of what he had done.... that lasted a lifetime.

Some people should decide to work on their fits of temper and intemperate language.

 

[babe]

so you want complete and utter dominance. hell us couldnt win the vietnam war!

but these 1200 peopple lived and survived had their own little country!


so if i lived around that time you wouldnt want me to have guns or knowledge of how guns work(which requires access to guns). you would rather read my diary decades later with my stupid ramblings?
i dont have the right to defend myself, because no way i could have defeated the germans? i would have only resisted and survived!

well your post offends me. reported!

OB's post was civil and factual. But he just didn't want to swallow the idea whole...… as you were putting it.

No way could a group of one or two thousand really take on an organized military with far superior weapons, planes, tanks......of course they had to scatter and regroup when they had that coming at them. But OB missed the implications of what resistance behind the lines means to an occupying force trying to finish off a country like Russia. The Germans had to leave thousands.... many thousands of troops behind to keep their supply lines open.....

These 1200 could have been the difference on the Russian front. ten thousand Germans roaming through the woods in Poland looking for rebels.

Imagine that. The Third Reich defeated because some citizens had some guns, and some good sense. uhhhmmmm….. and because The US government had some military production facilities and way to get guns and ammo into Russia.

You do have an excellent point in this, and I am thankful you cared to tell the story.

 

[One Brow]

i never said they defeated the germans!

You offered them as a counter-example to "Because tyrants habitually get overthrown by private citizens with guns. And get replaced by wonderful, benevolent, freedom-loving dudes." They did not overthrow any tyrant. That doesn't diminish their heroism, if anything, it enhances it. However, you were still wrong.

 

[One Brow]

Armed citizens engaging in an effective guerilla war against an organized military could be the US military's slogan for the last 50 years. Of course it's possible.

If the initial goal was "effective guerilla war" instead of "overthrow tyrant", I would have agreed with DutchJazzer's post.

 

[One Brow]

so if i lived around that time you wouldnt want me to have guns or knowledge of how guns work(which requires access to guns).

It's been years since I had an anti-gun stance.

 

[Siro]

If the initial goal was "effective guerilla war" instead of "overthrow tyrant", I would have agree with DutchJazzer's post.

An effective guerilla can overthrow a government tho.

 

[One Brow]

An effective guerilla can overthrow a government tho.

With no outside help?

The original (sarcastic) post:
Because tyrants habitually get overthrown by private citizens with guns. And get replaced by wonderful, benevolent, freedom-loving dudes.

What are the examples of tyrants being overthrown by private citizens with guns?